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Well that's America for you, with a 51% approval rating, he's deemed a bad president. He needs to start a war asap to raise his popularity.



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psrock said:
Well that's America for you, with a 51% approval rating, he's deemed a bad president. He needs to start a war asap to raise his popularity.

Just for completeness:

Zogby has him at 45% approve, 51% dissapprove

Rasmussen has him at 50% approve, 50% dissapprove (32% strongly approve, 38% strongly dissapprove)

Gallup has him at 51% approve, 42% dissapprove.

 

Gallup generally has the highest numbers for Obama's approvals - I'll let people pick which one they want to take but my impression is that given the dynamic of the strongly approve/dissapprove index in the rasmussen poll matching up pretty well with the Zogby poll data I think they are closer than Gallup which has the reverse. 

All of the data is accurate btw - that should be made clear.  The issue is that how you ask a question, who you ask a question to, and even when you ask the question which then influences the results.  So while each is accurate they are each a barometer of something different.  Each poll represents how a particular sample of people feel about Obama when the question is asked a certain way at a certain time.  Looking at all three polls within the context they give each other is a good way to get a feel for where abouts the number truly is for the nation.

 

 



To Each Man, Responsibility

You can't judge a President after 6 months, you can't i am sorry. And, it's mostly people crying because he's changing things, but isn't it what he said he was going to do.
I am not making a decision yet, but it takes more than just him to get this country in the right path, but i feel so many want him fail, its going to be very hard.



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are people forgetting about all those t-shirts with "not my president" with a picture of W on it even before he took office... now THAT was quick.



MontanaHatchet said:
When Obama was campaigning, he was actually a pretty reasonable candidate. Budget was alright, healthcare reform sounded possible. It's not that he was lying to us; rather, he didn't deliver on a lot of the things he promised.

Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.

Let's say I told you I was a doctor, and could heal all your wounds, and you hired me. You then came to me with basic injuries, and I didn't have the skill set needed to fix you.

You saying this doesn't make me a bad doctor, because I am trying, and all I really did was not deliver on promises I told you?

Obama has never lead anything in his life. He is learning what it takes to be a leader. Forget his politics for a moment, and just look at his qualifications...

He has none. In fact, he knew he had none.



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Wow Mafoo, putting words in my mouth a bit much? Don't do that, it's annoying as hell. I never said he wasn't bad at all. Obama actually had some fairly reasonable ideas when he started campaigning. They were perfectly fine when he started in the primaries, and then got more and more ridiculous as his popularity grew. Still, not unreasonable. I suspect though, that once he actually got to the White House, he found it was very different from what he had imagined. So he wasn't lying with his proposals during campaigning (at the time), but he broke his promises later under different circumstances.



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:
Wow Mafoo, putting words in my mouth a bit much? Don't do that, it's annoying as hell. I never said he wasn't bad at all. Obama actually had some fairly reasonable ideas when he started campaigning. They were perfectly fine when he started in the primaries, and then got more and more ridiculous as his popularity grew. Still, not unreasonable. I suspect though, that once he actually got to the White House, he found it was very different from what he had imagined. So he wasn't lying with his proposals during campaigning (at the time), but he broke his promises later under different circumstances.

The reason McCain didn't make claims like this, is he knew what the job included. Obama was hired to do the things he said he would do. He has no remotely followed through on any of them.

Remove us from War: He extended Iraq to the maximum term, and has started a major offensive in Afgan.

Fix the economy: He has spent trillions, and done nothing to stop it. We fell at the same rate after the bailouts, as we did before them.

Improve healthcare: he has no plan to speak of, so on this point, he has yet to do anything.

Close Gitmo on day one: Still open, and no signs of closing it.

Better Gay rights: He has done nothing in this department.

Those were the things he ran on, and got elected on. His track record in those areas is bad, and in some, is down right terrible. This, makes him a bad President.



TheRealMafoo said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Wow Mafoo, putting words in my mouth a bit much? Don't do that, it's annoying as hell. I never said he wasn't bad at all. Obama actually had some fairly reasonable ideas when he started campaigning. They were perfectly fine when he started in the primaries, and then got more and more ridiculous as his popularity grew. Still, not unreasonable. I suspect though, that once he actually got to the White House, he found it was very different from what he had imagined. So he wasn't lying with his proposals during campaigning (at the time), but he broke his promises later under different circumstances.

The reason McCain didn't make claims like this, is he knew what the job included. Obama was hired to do the things he said he would do. He has no remotely followed through on any of them.

Remove us from War: He extended Iraq to the maximum term, and has started a major offensive in Afgan.

Fix the economy: He has spent trillions, and done nothing to stop it. We fell at the same rate after the bailouts, as we did before them.

Improve healthcare: he has no plan to speak of, so on this point, he has yet to do anything.

Close Gitmo on day one: Still open, and no signs of closing it.

Better Gay rights: He has done nothing in this department.

Those were the things he ran on, and got elected on. His track record in those areas is bad, and in some, is down right terrible. This, makes him a bad President.

1. I'm confused with this one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're currently removing forces from Iraq (British left at the end of April), and U.S. forces have withdrawn from Baghdad. He seems to be doing fine in that department. As for Afghanistan, I distinctly remember him saying he would increase efforts in the region during his campaign.

2. Aren't those who slant more to the right always saying that the president doesn't really control the economy anyways? I realize that Obama promised to fix the economy, but I don't remember him promising any miracle cures. He's definitely made a lot of efforts towards fighting the recession, but the economy can't be cured in a couple of months. I'm not trying to sharply defend Obama here, I'm just saying what's true.

3. I hate to say it, but you should wait a tad bit longer. If Obama tried to do everything at once, it would be overkill. Let's let him save the economy and deliver us from hell and bring smiles to the faces of Americans again (or whatever) first. I can't think of too many presidents who acted upon most of their major policy decisions at once and did each one successfully.

4. Major screw-up on his part, I'll agree with you there.

5. Oh God, how could Obama not have made sweeping new legislation on gay rights within his first half of year in office? Unless Obama really said he'd make certain changes within a certain time frame, he hasn't really screwed up.



 

 

If Mccain was president, it would have been the same thing except which side saying it. We had people claiming to go to Canada when Bush became president. They were scared he was going to destroy the country. Quite familiar, right.



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psrock said:
If Mccain was president, it would have been the same thing except which side saying it. We had people claiming to go to Canada when Bush became president. They were scared he was going to destroy the country. Quite familiar, right.

Ha ha, I remember the Canada bit. I remember it because I seriously considered it.