CrazyHorse said:
HappySqurriel said:
An interesting thing about science is that it is not the responsibility of people to show evidence that something is wrong; it is the responsibility of the scientist to provide auditable evidence that their claims are correct. The reason for this is simple, it is impossible to prove the non-existence of something and therefore the evidence that supports its existence must be irrefutable.
The problem I demonstrated that you're unwilling to realize is that there is no valid auditable data that demonstrates a warming trend on the Earth that is outside of historic norms; which means that there is no scientific evidence for global warming at this point in time. The contiuned support of global warming as a threat is based entirely on belief and not on evidence which makes it a religion rather than a science.
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Your first paragraph is spot on but I disagree somewhat with your second.
Based on recent climate data (over the last 1 million years or so) there is a strong correlation between increasing CO2 levels and incresing temperatures which cannot be ingnored. Although these previous increases have been caused by natural cycles, if rising CO2 levels drive temperatures to rise (as can be interpreted from the data) then a sudden increase in CO2 (and other greenhouse gases) from humans could cause a large increase in the Earth's temperature. This causation is not yet unequivocally proven but does provide evidence that it may be the case and that therefore that global warming is a very possible threat.
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The problem is that evidence used to link C02 as a major driver of climate is based on low resolution data while supporting high resolution claims.
Or to put it another way we understand that water can absorb C02 and its ability to do so is directly affected by its temperature. Lower temperatures allow it to absorb more and higher temperatures allow it hold less - thus at higher temperatures the ocean "outgases" C02. We know that there are massive reservoires of C02 in the oceans based on this noncontroversial and well understood mechanic.
Equally understood is that greenhouse gases can trap heat, this is irrefutable and easily proven in a lab.
The sleight of hand comes when you then try to say greenhouse gases can signicantly warm the planet as a whole in the concentrations seen at the present and possible in the near future.
This is where that older low resolution data comes into play, what this means is that there is a sizeable MOE in comparing temperature to C02 in proxies used to research these values in the distant past. Which came first is the subject of some uncertainty but we already have a demonstrable and incontraversible mechanism for explaining how temperature could drive C02 on the scales required...we don't have such a mechanism for C02 driving climate however. In fact what we have for that is a series of models, made by modelers who readily admit they are prone to error and misleading predictions.