Ehhhhhhhhh they're not that far off.

I do like Nintendo games on my Nintendo systems.

mm i think hes sorta right, alot of people with a wii wont buy a game unless its mario or Wii-something, for once i agree!
may get a wii this year lol

Except only rare HD games do that as well. It's a myth the Wii is a worse business move than the HD systems.

If you look at the top 200 of the Wii and the 360, you'll see that that is not true.

#199-200 for 360 sold 310k copies. (I put 199 because 200 just so happens to be a 1st party game.)

#200 for Wii sold 240k copies.

I am using this to show the trend that a game on Wii isn't going to sell as well as 360 unless it is made specifically for the Wii Audience's demographics and interests.

There's two reasons for this:

Nintendo Brand games do well, third party games that cater to the social (group) or goal-oriented gamer do well.  What Pachter is referring to as "core" is the array of shooter, fighting, roleplaying games, etc.  These have not sold as well on Wii, because Wii owners at large (not you or me, but the largest segment of Wii owenrs) do not buy those games.  There is no evidence that this will change, therefore it is not a good investment to make these games for Wii.

The other reason that third party games sell less is that Wii owners buy few games than 360 owners per console sold.

Of course, I think that there may be a shift in Japan to Wii as the RPG/Action RPG console because of Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest X but Wii has a long way to go to catch up to 360 as the sound development platform for "core" games.

I love the Wii, I love the niche games and the Nintendo games but I am willing to admit that the "core gamer" (the gamer that buys many games and plays a lot) is more likely to be found owning a 360 than a Wii.

This just seems like confusion between anectdotal evidence (I play my Wii all the time and buy Wii games) versus statistical evidence.

I believe I specifically said that you were right about Nintendo having a fan base that will buy just about anything from them. I doubt the people who bought Endless Ocean were part of that fanbase though. Oh and YES I do say that Madworld is more niche than Endless Ocean. I remember a few months ago I was playing the game, and my brother said the game would be better if it wasn't in black and white. I told him that one of the main selling points was that it WAS that it was black and white, and he said that it was stupid that they made it that way. Now he is the so called "hardcore" that plays CoD and Halo only, with a little guitar hero on the side, so I don't know if he counts. Also you still didn't answer any of my questions. Would these games do better on the 360 or PS3? Name me some big series 3rd party games on the Wii. The only answer is that these titles are Niche. Why else would other 3rd party games like Resident Evil 4 and Umbrella Chronicles(both part of a big series, and one is a port the other a spinoff) outsell them? Also to be honest, Nintendo has proven themselves to the Wii audiences(other wise they wouldn't own a Nintendo console) 3rd parties haven't. It is quite obvious there would be a bias toward the company players bought the console for. Just look at the bias toward Bungie and Epic games on the 360. What about Kojima, Insomniac or Naughty Dog games on the playstation. It might not be as big as Nintendo made theirs, but it is still there. To be honest, if these publishers were as big as Nintendo, I have no doubt that they would have the same amount of control.

@Gansito I am not doubting that the 360 has niche titles, I'm saying it has many more mainstream ones than the Wii. I'm also saying that niche titles, unless they have a big publisher to back them up, don't sell well on any platform.  Let me note this aswell, at least half those games you mentioned  bigger than almost all the Wii's "core" third party games.

No need to quote the rest. By thinking I just meant sales, you already lost the argument.

Try looking up things like cost, marketing, and profit.

Call of Duty: World at War. The game is more or as popular as anything on the 360 and PS3. It's moderately successful on the Wii. It can't be described as niche. Now give me the explanation as to why it couldn't capture the same sales magic without using differences in the demographic that wants the game, since that's my excuse.

The CoD series itself was only moderately successful until Modern Warfare, and that's not on the Wii yet.

It is a multiplatform game that's predecessor wasn't released on the Wii. The predecessor being one of the games that was targetted as the best on PS3 and 360. The Wii only had the extremely mediocre version of Call of Duty 3, which was already outcasted by fans to start with.  Not only that, but it had gimped online modes, and poor advertising at the start. The only thing going for it was controls, and you can get that with the PC version.  It only makes sense that it would sell worst. Not that it sold poorly though, it is one of the best selling third party Wii games, and only is that because it is one of the few Mainstream series.

Those are games I have, but i haven't personally bought them, they were gifts, or they were my brothers.

There are only 3 3rd party games I have bought.

Tiger Woods.

Okami

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