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sc94597 on 17 August 2009
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Onyxmeth said:
sc94597 said:
The problem isn't that they are third party. The problem is that they are VERY niche. The games that go to the HD consoles are much more mainstream. Do you think the conduit, no more heroes, and Madworld would do much better on the 360, PS3, or both? What about Little King Story? How about you tell me some high selling 3rd party series that went to Wii, but didn't sell well? Yeah there may be a double standard, but that is on every platform. On 360 there are people who would do this for a bungie game, on PS3 for any sony first or second party developer, on PC any blizzard game. The only platform where there is even somewhat of an equal stance is PSP, and that is only because when you look at high selling games there you don't look at developers(since sony has been barely supporting it) you look at large series(i.e Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto.) So again, I ask what game is high budget enough to be pulling off the sales you speak of? What game would have done better on the PS3, 360, or both?

So that's it then? Every unsuccessful third party title on the Wii is just very, very niche? You don't think that it could simply be that because the Wii has such a wide demographic breakdown that it simply doesn't have as many customers to support these titles as the other two consoles do? Nintendo, by general good word of mouth and legacy franchises gets to side step this problem and create a seperate "core fanbase" that is willing to spend on their titles while generally shying away from third party releases. I mean seriously, look at Endless Ocean. You think a violent, black & white beat em up is niche? Endless Ocean is a scuba diving simulator. If any other publisher put that on Wii, no amount of advertising would have elevated it anywhere even close to the vicinity of a million copies sold.

I believe I specifically said that you were right about Nintendo having a fan base that will buy just about anything from them. I doubt the people who bought Endless Ocean were part of that fanbase though. Oh and YES I do say that Madworld is more niche than Endless Ocean. I remember a few months ago I was playing the game, and my brother said the game would be better if it wasn't in black and white. I told him that one of the main selling points was that it WAS that it was black and white, and he said that it was stupid that they made it that way. Now he is the so called "hardcore" that plays CoD and Halo only, with a little guitar hero on the side, so I don't know if he counts. Also you still didn't answer any of my questions. Would these games do better on the 360 or PS3? Name me some big series 3rd party games on the Wii. The only answer is that these titles are Niche. Why else would other 3rd party games like Resident Evil 4 and Umbrella Chronicles(both part of a big series, and one is a port the other a spinoff) outsell them? Also to be honest, Nintendo has proven themselves to the Wii audiences(other wise they wouldn't own a Nintendo console) 3rd parties haven't. It is quite obvious there would be a bias toward the company players bought the console for. Just look at the bias toward Bungie and Epic games on the 360. What about Kojima, Insomniac or Naughty Dog games on the playstation. It might not be as big as Nintendo made theirs, but it is still there. To be honest, if these publishers were as big as Nintendo, I have no doubt that they would have the same amount of control.

 

@Gansito I am not doubting that the 360 has niche titles, I'm saying it has many more mainstream ones than the Wii. I'm also saying that niche titles, unless they have a big publisher to back them up, don't sell well on any platform.  Let me note this aswell, at least half those games you mentioned  bigger than almost all the Wii's "core" third party games.