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bobobologna on 12 August 2009
Tallgeese101 said:
I think you guys are getting confused. In most games the PS3 sends a 720p signal to the TV which does the upscaling to 1080p if your screen supports the resolution.

A 720p signal thats not upscaled by a 1080p TV would not fill up the screen.

All the 360 does differently is handle the upscaling itself.

 

No.

Some older TVs, particularly CRT based HDTVs do not support 720p, only 480p and 1080i.  For the XBox360, the XBox360 can basically scale any game to 1080i/p and output a 1080i/p signal.

The PS3 can't do this with every game.  Many games only support 480p and 720p.  If you have one of those older TVs that doesn't support 720p, you are screwed.  You will be forced to run the game at 480p because the PS3 can't upscale every game to 1080i/p.

Turn off 720p support on your PS3, and try playing Resistance 1, Mirror's Edge, Valkyria Chronicles, R&C: Tools of Destruction, and any other of the many many PS3 games that don't support 1080i/p and you will get a 480p signal.

Then there are games like Uncharted.  If your TV supports 720p, the game will output in 720p, even if your TV can also support 1080i/p.  That's because when running in 1080i/p, Uncharted renders at 960x1080 instead of the normal 1280x720.  I believe Killzone 2 also does this (defaults to 720p, otherwise renders at 960x1080 for 1080i/p support).

EDIT:  And it shouldn't really matter for 95% of the people who own a PS3.  Unless you have a really crappy TV with a horrible scaler, there will be minimal difference in image quality between the console doing the scaling or the TV doing the scaling.  Or if you are one of those suckers who has an old 1080i TV.



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ultima on 12 August 2009
CGI-Quality said:
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Not all PS3 games upscale to 1080p. Any PS3 game that either remains at 1080p or switches from it, back to it, is either native 1080p or can upscale into 1080p. Otherwise, most PS3 games can only output at 720p, regardless of a 1080p native HDTV.

IMO, this is a hefty advantage for the 360, it can upscale ANY game to 1080p. It just doesn't have any games rendered in 1080p like the PS3 does, at least not to my knowledge.

Actually, you can force the games to play at 1080p by disabling other resolutions. That's why I find this weird: it can upscale, but won't do it unless you force it to.

BTW, what's vg$?

The game is not REALLY being upscaled though. The games can only output at 720. When you force 1080p on a non-1080p game, there is absoultely NO noticeable difference.

LOL, the game is being upscaled, you mean it's not being rendered at that resolution. I don't expect many games to render at 1080p anyway, I'm perfectly happy with upscaling.

Rendered would mean it's native, which isn't the case for MOST games this gen. What I'm saying is, you can force the game to run at 1080p, but tell me, what are the differences?

I understand what you're saying, but look at it this way: you can watch a DVD at its native 480p or get it upscaled to 1080p. Which would you choose.

I know that upscaling to 1080p won't make games any more detailed, but doesn't mean I wouldn't like it upscaled. ;p

Aaahh, now we're gettin' somewhere. I can understand how you would want the upscaling present. I just got a 1080p televison, so I can DEFINITELY understand that situatuion.

Finally on the same page, eh!



           

ultima on 12 August 2009
CGI-Quality said:
ultima said:
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CGI-Quality said:
ultima said:
CGI-Quality said:

Not all PS3 games upscale to 1080p. Any PS3 game that either remains at 1080p or switches from it, back to it, is either native 1080p or can upscale into 1080p. Otherwise, most PS3 games can only output at 720p, regardless of a 1080p native HDTV.

IMO, this is a hefty advantage for the 360, it can upscale ANY game to 1080p. It just doesn't have any games rendered in 1080p like the PS3 does, at least not to my knowledge.

Actually, you can force the games to play at 1080p by disabling other resolutions. That's why I find this weird: it can upscale, but won't do it unless you force it to.

BTW, what's vg$?

The game is not REALLY being upscaled though. The games can only output at 720. When you force 1080p on a non-1080p game, there is absoultely NO noticeable difference.

LOL, the game is being upscaled, you mean it's not being rendered at that resolution. I don't expect many games to render at 1080p anyway, I'm perfectly happy with upscaling.

Rendered would mean it's native, which isn't the case for MOST games this gen. What I'm saying is, you can force the game to run at 1080p, but tell me, what are the differences?

I understand what you're saying, but look at it this way: you can watch a DVD at its native 480p or get it upscaled to 1080p. Which would you choose.

I know that upscaling to 1080p won't make games any more detailed, but doesn't mean I wouldn't like it upscaled. ;p

Aaahh, now we're gettin' somewhere. I can understand how you would want the upscaling present. I just got a 1080p televison, so I can DEFINITELY understand that situatuion.

Finally on the same page, eh!

A good debate though my friend, very informative. Btw, welcome to the Chartz!

LOL, thanks.



           

Barozi on 12 August 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
Well I can really see that the PS3 doesn't upscale every game to 1080p on my monitor. A shame because I get a clearer picture when I play 360 games.

What's the shame about it though? The systems work differently. And as far as I'm concerned, without native 1080p in most games, upscaled 1080p is just a tad sharper. There isn't a HUGE difference. One of the reasons I love Wipeout HD so much is because it ACTUALLY runs at my TV's native resolution. I tried playing it @ 720p and the difference is crystal clear. Next gen should take care of this problem though.

I'm sitting 80-90cm away from my monitor. That makes a difference.

I'm just saying. Every time I put a PS3 game in the tray and the 720p "Playstation 3" font appears in front of me I'm a bit dissapointed



ultima on 12 August 2009
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
Well I can really see that the PS3 doesn't upscale every game to 1080p on my monitor. A shame because I get a clearer picture when I play 360 games.

What's the shame about it though? The systems work differently. And as far as I'm concerned, without native 1080p in most games, upscaled 1080p is just a tad sharper. There isn't a HUGE difference. One of the reasons I love Wipeout HD so much is because it ACTUALLY runs at my TV's native resolution. I tried playing it @ 720p and the difference is crystal clear. Next gen should take care of this problem though.

I'm sitting 80-90cm away from my monitor. That makes a difference.

I'm just saying. Every time I put a PS3 game in the tray and the 720p "Playstation 3" font appears in front of me I'm a bit dissapointed

LOL, I totally agree with the "disappointing" 720p.



           

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Dgc1808 on 12 August 2009

You sometimes have to force it. Not all games allow it to play at 1080p even when it says it's supported on the box. The system will play the game at it's native rez.



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