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superchunk said:
FayeC said:
Its not theft because that content is not being taken, its being copied. Now its being copied "without permission or consent" so that does indeed make it copyright infringement, just not theft.

You can't even consider it theft of a potential sale. If I steal a game off of a shelf or a shipping truck, THAT is theft of a potential sale.

On the other hand, you can only assume that a person would have bought a game were they not willing to pirate it.

Its the same thing you are acquiring it without permission or consent. Theft.

Its not being taken from anyone, so it is not theft. If I find 50 dollars on the ground and keep it, its isnt theft and this is in a situation where there is a discernable loss to someone. Much less is it theft when nothing has been taken from anyone, as per the definition



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nen-suer said:
BladeOfGod said:
superchunk said:
BladeOfGod said:
i am sick of people bitching about piracy.

The averige payment in Brazil is about 220-230 dollars. And one guy from Brazil told me that games cost about 120 dollars there.(the new ones) So you except someone to spend more than half of his payment just to get one game??? You people need to understand that not everyone can afford to buy games even thought they HAVE a job.

My *net* monthly income is about $500 that I can spend any way I like. That $500 won't buy me the  new 46" HDTV I've been wanting because the tv's I want are around $1500. I can choose to save my net income for a while to buy that tv or I can choose to eat out, go to movies, and do many other activities with my children.

I keep choosing the activities and still have an older SDTV.

Just because I can't afford what I want doesn't make it right to take it. That is just stupid.


if you could get your 46 HDTV for free you would do it, dont pretend like you wouldnt

 


damn right

chapset said:
What about all the tools that's are create to help pirating, the dvd burners, the Ipod, the blank cds and dvds, the divx players.
What if some other companies would give you all the tools to create a Ferrari by yourself and to use it, wouldn't you do it? The apple Ipod would not be where it is without napster and Kazaa, pirating started the mp3 business (well I think anyway)
What about High speed Internet would you really use up that 100GB download limit if you were not pirating? Pirating did a lot of damage to some companies but help a lot of others so it's not as wrong as people make it to be

I have dvd most of those items and still don't pirate. I use them for their intended purposes.

I copy my child's dvd movies so they dont' ruin the originals.

I take my digital video from my Sony camera and digital pictures from my cell and camera and make videos/gifts/etc.

I use them to backup my HDD.

As I have said before, I would never copy a product just because I have the capability. Without consent it is illegal and theft as defined above.

Pirating has done nothing good for any market. Music industry can use MP3's because their product can be broken down into small inexpensive parts, games and movies cannot. As their content needs to be whole to be of any value.

Pirating only helps the thieves.

The iPod and other such devices, along with their online stores, made MP3 and similar formats huge, not pirates.



FayeC said:
superchunk said:
FayeC said:
Its not theft because that content is not being taken, its being copied. Now its being copied "without permission or consent" so that does indeed make it copyright infringement, just not theft.

You can't even consider it theft of a potential sale. If I steal a game off of a shelf or a shipping truck, THAT is theft of a potential sale.

On the other hand, you can only assume that a person would have bought a game were they not willing to pirate it.

Its the same thing you are acquiring it without permission or consent. Theft.

Its not being taken from anyone, so it is not theft. If I find 50 dollars on the ground and keep it, its isnt theft and this is in a situation where there is a discernable loss to someone. Much less is it theft when nothing has been taken from anyone, as per the definition

Finding money on the ground and purposefully making a copy of money are not the same thing. Furthermore, if you find money you should first try to find its owner.

Otherwise, its not much different from theft.



The person who copied the file committed infringment right?

Why am I a bad guy in this though? He is giving me permission to download his copy.

I am not stealing.



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FayeC said:

 

Its not being taken from anyone, so it is not theft. If I find 50 dollars on the ground and keep it, its isnt theft and this is in a situation where there is a discernable loss to someone. Much less is it theft when nothing has been taken from anyone, as per the definition


Actually if you find $50 dollars on the floor in the UK it is theft. Finders keepers losers weepers does not hold water in the eyes of the law. For you to pick up your 50 bucks and it not be theft you have to prove the item is abandoned. Somebody losing an item does not mean abandonment and does not mean they have lost ownership of the said item.

So sayeth yea.



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superchunk said:
chapset said:
What about all the tools that's are create to help pirating, the dvd burners, the Ipod, the blank cds and dvds, the divx players.
What if some other companies would give you all the tools to create a Ferrari by yourself and to use it, wouldn't you do it? The apple Ipod would not be where it is without napster and Kazaa, pirating started the mp3 business (well I think anyway)
What about High speed Internet would you really use up that 100GB download limit if you were not pirating? Pirating did a lot of damage to some companies but help a lot of others so it's not as wrong as people make it to be

I have dvd most of those items and still don't pirate. I use them for their intended purposes.

I copy my child's dvd movies so they dont' ruin the originals.

I take my digital video from my Sony camera and digital pictures from my cell and camera and make videos/gifts/etc.

I use them to backup my HDD.

As I have said before, I would never copy a product just because I have the capability. Without consent it is illegal and theft as defined above.

Pirating has done nothing good for any market. Music industry can use MP3's because their product can be broken down into small inexpensive parts, games and movies cannot. As their content needs to be whole to be of any value.

Pirating only helps the thieves.

The iPod and other such devices, along with their online stores, made MP3 and similar formats huge, not pirates.

Strangely enough the mp3 player boom happend right at the peak of pirating out of all people i know who possess or use to possess an Ipod or a mp3 player all of them had pirate song in them, before all the fuss about pirating I didn't even know sharing music was a crime and many people still don't know about it, you might not use those device illegaly but many people do and the companies creating those device make money from those illegal behavior



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superchunk said:
BladeOfGod said:
superchunk said:
BladeOfGod said:
i am sick of people bitching about piracy.

The averige payment in Brazil is about 220-230 dollars. And one guy from Brazil told me that games cost about 120 dollars there.(the new ones) So you except someone to spend more than half of his payment just to get one game??? You people need to understand that not everyone can afford to buy games even thought they HAVE a job.

My *net* monthly income is about $500 that I can spend any way I like. That $500 won't buy me the  new 46" HDTV I've been wanting because the tv's I want are around $1500. I can choose to save my net income for a while to buy that tv or I can choose to eat out, go to movies, and do many other activities with my children.

I keep choosing the activities and still have an older SDTV.

Just because I can't afford what I want doesn't make it right to take it. That is just stupid.


if you could get your 46 HDTV for free you would do it, dont pretend like you wouldnt

Sure, if it were given to me, rightfully, with consent. That would be legal. I would never just take it or use my magic replication machine to copy it. That would be theft.

How are people getting pirated games?? Well, they usually download it from torrent web sites. ( some people actually PAY for pirated games in 3rd world countries, i guess that's not piracy?) Now, people who are PUTTING THOSE GAMES ON THOSE WEB SITES ARE THEFTS. the guy who downloading  them is not guilty for finding much better offer. The guy who is uploading those games on the torrent web sites is guilty.

to summarize:

The guy who is putting pirated games on torrent web sites or selling them: Theft

The guy who is downloading pirated games from torrent web sites: not guilty.



welshbloke said:
FayeC said:

 

Its not being taken from anyone, so it is not theft. If I find 50 dollars on the ground and keep it, its isnt theft and this is in a situation where there is a discernable loss to someone. Much less is it theft when nothing has been taken from anyone, as per the definition


Actually if you find $50 dollars on the floor in the UK it is theft. Finders keepers losers weepers does not hold water in the eyes of the law. For you to pick up your 50 bucks and it not be theft you have to prove the item is abandoned. Somebody losing an item does not mean abandonment and does not mean they have lost ownership of the said item.

So sayeth yea.

So if you find a 50$ bill in the street you must let it there or the popo could put you in jail?



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Part of piracy is perception. Why is a car worth 20K or 40K? It's physical, it has people designing and engineering and building it and you want something that's reliable. When you look at a CD/DVD/Bluray disc, it's just a disc with bits of data. You cannot distinguish masterpiece movie from porn to infomercials but they are all lumped in the same group because externally looks the same. It's just ones and zeros and there's no perceived value because the disc itself in the raw form only cost at most a few bucks. So it must be what it's worth. Pirates don't care about the production or hard work it took to make the game or the movie or all that's involved. All that matters is that they get the enjoyment without paying for it. The bits and bytes just magically formed themselves without intervention from anyone.