It's cold hard facts that Sony is losing money.

johnsobas said: Euphoria14 said: @johnsobas I understand that you think he is wrong but you at least have to come in with some kind of rebuttal other than "out his ass" or "assumptions" because everyone here is only assuming Sony is still losing so much money. Goddog came in with some knowledge to drop down on the table and did so without insulting the thread creator. His info also seems very possible too but we won't know any of this until Sony either confirms or denies these rumors. To be honest I don't see how anyone says it isn't true when it was said by Sony themselves. I am pretty sure you can find the call if you want. do i have to say it again, you don't know where that 70% came from.  Yes they said it, but it is a percentage that is not backed by a known number.

Well if it is 70% since the first revision that would be pretty damn good.

If this is 70% since the supposed initial price of ~$840 then it is still good.

Even if the PS3 initially cost $1000 to make, which i doubt, it would be down to $300 with the 70% reduction estimate given right?

What do people really think the PS3 originally cost or from what price point do you think the 70% is reduced from?

Show me then.

Financial report doesn't prove PS3 is losing all that money.

Doesn't Sony have more internal studios and anyone else? Haven't they been working on a shit load of titles between this year and last?

Hasn't Sony been pouring money into R&D for the PSP-3000 that released last year and the PSP-Go that is releasing this year?

Hasn't Sony been pouring money into R&D for the PS3 Slim if it indeed real?

Haven't they poured more money into advertising?

I don't know exactly how much each factors into their loss for the previous year but I can say it pretty safe to say that all of that lose isn't directly connected to the PS3.

Anyone thinking so is just assuming and that is no worse than what the topic creator is doing. Am I right?

I am pretty sure if MS had around 15 studios working on stuff instead of just 4-5 they wouldn't have looked so hot either. Am I right?

If next report shows profit there will be a lot of people here who will get a nice big "I told you so".

Euphoria14 said: johnsobas said: Euphoria14 said: @johnsobas I understand that you think he is wrong but you at least have to come in with some kind of rebuttal other than "out his ass" or "assumptions" because everyone here is only assuming Sony is still losing so much money. Goddog came in with some knowledge to drop down on the table and did so without insulting the thread creator. His info also seems very possible too but we won't know any of this until Sony either confirms or denies these rumors. To be honest I don't see how anyone says it isn't true when it was said by Sony themselves. I am pretty sure you can find the call if you want. do i have to say it again, you don't know where that 70% came from.  Yes they said it, but it is a percentage that is not backed by a known number.  Well if it is 70% since the first revision that would be pretty damn good. If this is 70% since the supposed initial price of ~$840 then it is still good.   Even if the PS3 initially cost $1000 to make, which i doubt, it would be down to $300 with the 70% reduction estimate given right?     What do people really think the PS3 originally cost or from what price point do you think the 70% is reduced from?

You do realize that if they estimated $1000 in 2006 is not $1000 now right?  I have been trying to say for quite a while now that the yen has changed in price.  If it was $1000 in 2006 that would be $1200 today. 

wait wait wait, now we have to prove something when all you're doing is making assumptions based on incomplete data. 

To be honest you know why I don't care?

I have a company paying 15 or so studios to make me some video games and I don't care if they lose money in order to do it. I just care that they get released for me to play.

So finally a pricecut is coming. Just wait for pricecut, don't buy a PS3 yet.

I am just doing the same thing pretty much everyone else is doing.

Anyone in this thread could be right or wrong. We are just trying to put some scenarios in there.

Hey, I just do this to pass the time.

yea exactly what i've been trying to say the whole time about everything in this tread.