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NJ5 said:
MikeB said:
NJ5 said:

kowenicki I can't avoid it...

MikeB just said ignoring part of 360's sales is unfair for the PS3. LOL.

No, I said the PS3 released about 5 months later in PAL regions unlike the 360, so those are extra 360 sales. Relatively the PS3 sold much faster than the 360 in Europe taking equal timeframes than the worldwide data would suggest. Currently 360 has seen 2 extra holiday seasons compared to the PS3, not just 1.

For other regions the official launch gap is even much bigger, up to years even.

For comparison, taking equal timeframes (which is unfair towards the PS3

In other words... taking equal timeframes (i.e. ignoring part of 360's sales) is unfair towards the PS3.

Just reading what you said here.

 

No, I said. Even taking into account the extra 360 sales. The period the PS3 wasn't released in Europe yet.

Taking equal timeframes for Europe, you don't compare holiday season 2005 (360) vs holiday season 2006 (PS3) figures. It would start at March 2007 vs the 360's 2005 European holiday sales.



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OK go ahead and take your equal timeframes, I'm heeding kowenicki's request ;)



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Munkeh111 said:
It is sold to consumers, just Sony's consumers, which are the retailers

And LTD WW SW sales 142,902,448 according to VGC. So there are 190m sold by Sony (which would include stock), but there must be many millions of PSN games sold, but of course there is probably some undertracking, like how Uncharted is at 2.5m, despite being announced as having sold over 2.6m at E3... but oh well


You should be happy. Your favorite game is only undertracked by 100K, while VGC has undertracked my favorite game by almost a million!
(Oblivion tracking on both X360 and PS3 is missing a huge EU sales update, total ww number should be at least 4.6 million instead of 3.7 million)



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Munkeh111 said:
It is sold to consumers, just Sony's consumers, which are the retailers

And LTD WW SW sales 142,902,448 according to VGC. So there are 190m sold by Sony (which would include stock), but there must be many millions of PSN games sold, but of course there is probably some undertracking, like how Uncharted is at 2.5m, despite being announced as having sold over 2.6m at E3... but oh well

100K is totally reasonable amount to be on store shelves don't ya think ?



Spedfrom said:

I get that TWRoO, but I wouldn't have made this thread if Kotaku's Luke Plunkett hadn't emphasized the sold to consumers number part. Yes, they are "just" a gaming blog, but a respected one at that, so I waged they know what they publish on it.

The majority of the gaming media often don't know what they are talking about... many are just as unreliable as average forum fanboys, but more dangerous because they have more credibility just from having a blog.

Here is the website Sony uses to archive it's hardware and software figures directly from their fiscal reports.
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

You can see the difference between production shipments and sales here too (with PS2 and PSP anyway)
With production shipments, the consoles have been made, but are still in Sony's hands, Sony has not neccessarily recieved any money for them.
With sales, the consoles have left Sony's hands and Sony hve been officially paid for them. This is exactly the same as what Nintendo and Microsoft report, and it is sales to retailers.

Here is a list of the fiscal reports (you may not want to trawl through them, but they prove where the figures come from... and I have told you Sony cannot report sales past them selling to retailin fiscal reports)
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/index.html






Point made then, thanks. I guess I expected more accuracy from a blog such as Kotaku.



Spedform, this article makes a very common mistake. The situation is, quite simply, that it is impossible to track sales to conumers with total accuracy. Sony can, however, track shipments with close to complete accuracy. Sony tracking to consumers would quite simply not be logical, as a financial report has to be completely accurate (I see in retrospect that TWRoO already said this).

The people here aren't experts, but most of the repliers here really know what they're talking about. They've all seen lots of articles like this (as have I) and said close to the same thing before.

It's unlikely that you will notice a large mistake in the numbers before the VGChartz crew (the ones who update the numbers). If you should, it's likely to get updated the next day anyway - whether you complain or not. You really should put some faith in VGChartz numbers - they're not completely accurate, but they're not off by a million on a console.



Pineapple it goes even farther than accuracy.

Sony's financial report is supposed to portray Sony's financial situation. Sony doesn't get paid when someone buys a PS3 at a store, so that doesn't affect their financial situation.

What does, though, are sales to retailers, so that's what they put in their financial reports.

 



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