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@360 fans who whine over exclusives also appearing on PC:

Stop whining because you don't have an artsy new IP to tout on the internet, and then to not buy. Just thank your lucky stars that your console doesn't suck, and has the games that matter on it, because MS had the foresight to realize which games those were.

Hint: They ain't Rachet and Clank or LBP. They are GTAIV, and Final Fantasy.

Just ask yourself this. How bad would your 360 consistantly and deservedly get owned on every internet forum daily without GTAIV or FFXIII on it? Wouldn't you probably instead, own a PS3?

Now, ask yourself, would you rather MS, who had a mediocre library on the original Xbox at best, even the playing field by obtaining those games as multiplats? Or, instead, would you rather them have announce Ninja Blade 2?

Well, you say, why can't they do both?

Oh, 360fan, they already do both. Games like Crackdown, Gears, and Shadow Complex prove that. You already get a crapload of crappy-good exclusives, and probably the most complete library of games on a next gen console to play around in. You get RPGs up the yin, and even a shitload of the mediocre ripoffs, budget titles, and DLCs you so hunger to buy.

If you want to ask why someone can't "do both" why don't you ask Sony why they can't have a BR playing in their console and cut the price at the same time.

Things ALWAYS seem greener. They aren't. You should try PC gaming if you really want to see a platform with some problems.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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For me personally - ToV - the only true exclusive I liked for 360 - is now going to PS3. The other games are on PC and PS3 that I like. I really could care a milligram for Halo and/or Gears.

Since alot of the Xbox 360 game "exclusives" (not available for PS3) are on PC as well - and I prefer PS3. It seems that makes me automatically a "Sony Delusional" around here.



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If I would stop playing Gears 2 every night with tons of different people stopping as well....Then it's end console war....If me and the others continue to play gears and buy content for it......Good luck to Sony



 



ZenfoldorVGI said:
Black Fist said:

IMO, the only thing that is really good about the 360 at this point is the XBLA (minus the prices, but even so, some of them are understandable to be $15 or 1200 MS Points).
And the fact that they have only one market, not 3 (Euro, US and Japan) like Sony and Nintendo, which means that, when one thing gets released, it gets released everywhere at the same time.

About the rest......a console can´t live on 4 big exclusive games alone (Halo, Gears of War, Fable and Forza).

Mario, Zelda, Wii Fit, and Wii Sports, anyone?

Anyway, you have a very simplified way of looking at things.

IMO, it's ignorant to judge a games library by true exclusives, but rather, judge the library against the competition. Afterall, PC gaming is part of Microsoft as well. HD gaming, anyway. If I'm buying my DLC for Fallout 3 from XBL, or GFW, it's the same thing.

So, sure, it's easy to marginalize the 360, by saying that only "big games" matter, but in truth, the PS3 only has 1 big game, by your standards. Gran Turismo. Everything else this generation has failed, failed, failed. I mean, how do you judge "big games." Is Uncharted really a "big game?" How bout LBP? Are you judging the games by how much they matter? Or how popular they are? How many consoles they sell? Every break out PS3 game has been a multiplat, except for perhaps 1.

Do you consider Killzone 2 a "big game?" Well, if KZ2 is a big game, what is Halo 3?

Truth is, the biggest games this generation are multiplats....or exclusives for the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii. None of the most important games "industry-wise" are on the Playstation 3 in an exclusive format.

It's ironic that the biggest game on the PS3 is from a 3rd party.

So, yes, the PS3 has survived thus far without any "big games" if by "big games" you mean exclusive, important games that sell a shit-load.

I think 4 will more than suffice.

Don't you?

Not to mention that according to sales, and metacritic, and most industry opinion, the Xbox 360 has the best back-library of games, and after E3, now rivals Sony's upcoming games list, with true exclusives like Alan Wake, Forza 3, Crackdown 2, and Splinter Cell.

Your argument sounds like you went to sleep before E3, and woke up just now. It also sounds like you refuse to look at back-library because the only way you could make the "games" argument fit into your argument, is by looking forward from a past date. And also, by touting 360's dominant DLC as the only saving grace of the console.

Truth is, your "big games" argument doesn't hold water. You call PS3 exclusives "big games" and marginalize 360/PC multiplats, simply because that's the perception you pick up from the internet. Fact of the matter is, none of those PS3 games are console movers by any real standard, except GT5, and all of the real exclusives that Sony once lived by, MS has turned into multiplats with a well planned business strategy.

MS' library was vastly and significantly inferior last generation. Not only have they evened the playing field, but MS now has more "megaton games" than the PS3, in their franchises. I hear a lot of complaining about MS's exclusive library being ruined because it's on the PC. Rubbish. Those games still exist. Instead of recreating nearly useless new IPs that get critical acclaim, MS has instead invested in stealing all of the PS3 exclusives. Without MSs hard work, we wouldn't have Tekken, or GTA, or Final Fantasy on the Xbox 360, and without those games, the Xbox 360 would truely suck.

^This!



ZenfoldorVGI said:

@360 fans who whine over exclusives also appearing on PC:

Stop whining because you don't have an artsy new IP to tout on the internet, and then to not buy. Just thank your lucky stars that your console doesn't suck, and has the games that matter on it, because MS had the foresight to realize which games those were.

Hint: They ain't Rachet and Clank or LBP. They are GTAIV, and Final Fantasy.

Just ask yourself this. How bad would your 360 consistantly and deservedly get owned on every internet forum daily without GTAIV or FFXIII on it? Wouldn't you probably instead, own a PS3?

Now, ask yourself, would you rather MS, who had a mediocre library on the original Xbox at best, even the playing field by obtaining those games as multiplats? Or, instead, would you rather them have announce Ninja Blade 2?

Well, you say, why can't they do both?

Oh, 360fan, they already do both. Games like Crackdown, Gears, and Shadow Complex prove that. You already get a crapload of crappy-good exclusives, and probably the most complete library of games on a next gen console to play around in. You get RPGs up the yin, and even a shitload of the mediocre ripoffs, budget titles, and DLCs you so hunger to buy.

If you want to ask why someone can't "do both" why don't you ask Sony why they can't have a BR playing in their console and cut the price at the same time.

Things ALWAYS seem greener. They aren't. You should try PC gaming if you really want to see a platform with some problems.


Good thing Microsoft smartened up and made their first-party games full-on exclusives instead of being on PC. PS3 fanboys who were planning on ducking out of buying a 360 were complaining, but they have no choice now. I always love your posts Zen. Keep it up.



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LOL 360 at $99?



XxXProphecyXxX said:
LOL 360 at $99?

Something funny?

The 360 Arcade has been £129.99 in the UK since last year so would fully expect it to be £99.99 around December or January, when this happens the sales will be huge and will dampen any pricecuts the PS3 has planned......



FKNetwork said:
XxXProphecyXxX said:
LOL 360 at $99?

Something funny?

The 360 Arcade has been £129.99 in the UK since last year so would fully expect it to be £99.99 around December or January, when this happens the sales will be huge and will dampen any pricecuts the PS3 has planned......

......ok..............$99 xbox360 FTW I guess?



If the PS3 starts outselling the 360 by 60k per week on average.



FKNetwork said:
XxXProphecyXxX said:
LOL 360 at $99?

Something funny?

The 360 Arcade has been £129.99 in the UK since last year so would fully expect it to be £99.99 around December or January, when this happens the sales will be huge and will dampen any pricecuts the PS3 has planned......

Wait, the U.S. dollar equals the Pound now?