I would never admit that, because they've done 50% better than the Xbox 1 in about the same timeframe and theres still at least another two years to go. They could easily double the Xbox 1, anything more than that is a bonus.

and then when MS drops to $99 for the Arcade, $199 for the Pro, then what? and Project Natal is nothing either?

It won't happen.

If Microsoft discontinues the 360 for absolutely no reason right now, I'd say Sony has a pretty good chance.

ms would have to have another RROD style system failure epidemic

Microsoft is by no means washed up. They played it smart so they wouldn't become overlooked this gen. They also gave gamers what they wanted when Sony refused to do it. How does that make a company washed up?

i hope sony makes a comeback but im not sure they can

I don't think beaten in sales is necessarily the same thing as being washed up. The Dreamcast ended up washing out since it didn't have enough support, and the original xbox easily could have if MS hadn't had the stones that they have to continue, but I don't think the 360 ever will.

edited for clarification.

There is no way MS could "wash out" this generation at this point. They've already disrupted the Sony dominance machine, and relegated that console to niche status this generation.

Even if Sony does manage to outsell MS this generation, it's no victory for Sony. Their brand is significantly tarnished, while the Xbox brand is stronger now that it has ever been.

How could this ever, possibly be considered a victory for Sony?

You do realize that marginalizing Sony as a gaming option is the entire reason there even is an Xbox, right?

You do realize that PC gaming is also Microsoft gaming, for all intents and purposes, right?

Games for Windows + Xbox 360, this generation.

So, yeah, is Sony gonna "outsell" infinity?

Cus that's when MS washes out.

Honestly, we have a lot of people setting short goalposts for Sony, and that's understandable. The real goalposts have always been unreachable, and we all have to have something to look forward to.

Mario, Zelda, Wii Fit, and Wii Sports, anyone?

Anyway, you have a very simplified way of looking at things.

IMO, it's ignorant to judge a games library by true exclusives, but rather, judge the library against the competition. Afterall, PC gaming is part of Microsoft as well. HD gaming, anyway. If I'm buying my DLC for Fallout 3 from XBL, or GFW, it's the same thing.

So, sure, it's easy to marginalize the 360, by saying that only "big games" matter, but in truth, the PS3 only has 1 big game, by your standards. Gran Turismo. Everything else this generation has failed, failed, failed. I mean, how do you judge "big games." Is Uncharted really a "big game?" How bout LBP? Are you judging the games by how much they matter? Or how popular they are? How many consoles they sell? Every break out PS3 game has been a multiplat, except for perhaps 1.

Do you consider Killzone 2 a "big game?" Well, if KZ2 is a big game, what is Halo 3?

Truth is, the biggest games this generation are multiplats....or exclusives for the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii. None of the most important games "industry-wise" are on the Playstation 3 in an exclusive format.

It's ironic that the biggest game on the PS3 is from a 3rd party.

So, yes, the PS3 has survived thus far without any "big games" if by "big games" you mean exclusive, important games that sell a shit-load.

I think 4 will more than suffice.

Don't you?

Not to mention that according to sales, and metacritic, and most industry opinion, the Xbox 360 has the best back-library of games, and after E3, now rivals Sony's upcoming games list, with true exclusives like Alan Wake, Forza 3, Crackdown 2, and Splinter Cell.

Your argument sounds like you went to sleep before E3, and woke up just now. It also sounds like you refuse to look at back-library because the only way you could make the "games" argument fit into your argument, is by looking forward from a past date. And also, by touting 360's dominant DLC as the only saving grace of the console.

Truth is, your "big games" argument doesn't hold water. You call PS3 exclusives "big games" and marginalize 360/PC multiplats, simply because that's the perception you pick up from the internet. Fact of the matter is, none of those PS3 games are console movers by any real standard, except GT5, and all of the real exclusives that Sony once lived by, MS has turned into multiplats with a well planned business strategy.

MS' library was vastly and significantly inferior last generation. Not only have they evened the playing field, but MS now has more "megaton games" than the PS3, in their franchises. I hear a lot of complaining about MS's exclusive library being ruined because it's on the PC. Rubbish. Those games still exist. Instead of recreating nearly useless new IPs that get critical acclaim, MS has instead invested in stealing all of the PS3 exclusives. Without MSs hard work, we wouldn't have Tekken, or GTA, or Final Fantasy on the Xbox 360, and without those games, the Xbox 360 would truely suck.