Look at the grass and the background over on the right side of the GT5:P screenshot. Very low rez. Also, see the sky in the Forza 3 pic. Obviously it's a demo, it's not gonna look as good as a fully polished Forza 3 pic, but it's not bad looking besides the backgrounds.

If you think these cherrypicked(to make GT5:P look bad) are close, then you won't be able to tell the finished GT5 apart from Forza 3. Unless you see them through B3lieve tinted glasses.

No sir, no it can't. I certainly do have an agenda, and I further it quite nicely....but don't we all? Is my web of lies anymore evil or malevolent than Soriku's?

However, you sir, seem to be very into graphics. I found it odd that you would claim not to be able to distinguish those two photos in quality.

The obvious and true defense would be that the GT5:P photo was cherrypicked, and a demo, but instead, you chose to claim you couldn't tell the difference. Bad move, imo. Now you can never gloat when GT5 looks marginally better than Forza 3.

Also, I 100 percent agree. I think that both games will be very similar in their quality of content and their graphics, and that neither console owner is missing out in the racing sim division, and I'm sure you'd agree.

The most important thing is that they must both be good.

Prediction: IGN, and Gamespot will cop out with behind the scene deals, in order to "Tie" the games critically, if their releases are close enough. They do this, despite quality, in order not to tarnish their reputation with any one group. See Resistance 2.

I don't need proof for my opinion, but if I did, in this case, I could easily provide it with obviousness.

Obviousness is vastly under-rated on most gaming forums.

The refusal to accept the obvious has caused many flame wars.

For instance, I can't prove the fact that IGN tied Gears 2 and Resistance 2 on purpose. However, if one were to look at the chances of such a coincidence and view all of the amazingly convincing evidence, the average person would conclude that it was done purposefully.

However, proving something absolutely, beyond a reasonable doubt, to anyone, about anything that isn't a simple fact, is impossible, because there will always be that one guy who doesn't WANT it to be true, and no matter how irrefutable and convincing your evidence is, he will marginalize it to meet his own goals.

That guy is why obviousness is no longer accepted as a method of proof. Strangely enough, even murder cases in criminal courts claim obviousness as evidence enough to kill a man. However, on an internet gaming forum, apparently, the obvious has not been mastered.

So um...about Uncharted 2 guys.

Yeah...

i would wait for this to come out. Flame thread this is.

Maybe for blind people...

I sense Sarcasm from yo_john117.

Uncharted 2 is da king

Please don't derail a perfectly good thread, do you want it to be locked?

Sorry, it won't happen again