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The Wii isn't some white knight of the industry, galloping in to save everyone from themselves. Do you guys not realise that long term its in the large publishers best interests to have expensive games?

The Wii isn't profitable overall anymore because so many games are being made for the platform and the cost of entry for developers is so low that a bunch of crud is essentially filling up the shelves. The equilibrium thats being made is that on average theres no profit to be had.

In the longer term for the industry, the large publishers want restricted entry into the industry so they can reap higher profits. They want and need expensive games to reduce competition and prevent others from taking that leap from small time to big time developer.

Essentially its like this. Higher development cost leads to less competition which leads to higher profits. Lower development cost leads to more competition which leads to lower profits. This is over the longer term.



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Epic's main buisness is selling engines for PS360.

Any game made on the wii is lost money for them.

No surprise that he'd talk crap about it.



Make games people want to buy.



Wait, Epic is still relevant? I thought the Crysis engine pretty much made all of Epic irrelevant.



Funny that every game that flops on wii has an excuse.Why don't you accept that nobody wanted the game?



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@GriffinA: What great original games is Activision bringing to the Wii? Besides 100 Guitar Heros and liscensed movie games they aren't supporting the Wii at all. Not even bringing MW2 after bringing CoD: WaW, Activision is truly pathetic with their Wii efforts.



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Mr Khan said:

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=90552

 

Some choice quotes:

1. “(on third parties making core games for ) And they've been huge financial flops... It's just not where the market is. Look at EA. Do you see the same Madden game on Wii? Of course not – it's a dumbed down game.”

2. Rein continued by noting that some of these are “good cautionary tales” in terms of what the publishers attempted to do and how the market received the titles. “There are some good publishers out there that make some great triple-A games that make hundreds of millions of dollars, and I'm not going to name them, but then at the end of the year when they look at earnings, they lose money! Or they make only tens of millions of profit on billions in revenue. It just shows you what happens when you think, 'Oh great, they're diversifying, they're stretching outside their comfort zone,' and now they're making less money,” he said.

 

Ignorance must be bliss, huh? So he not only assumes that the core wii games have been financial flops, he seems to extrapolate them to the reason why the big publishers aren't making as much profits (or incurring losses)

 

1. looks at Pro Evolution games and Tiger Woods 10 on the wii - damn i like this type of dumbing down.

2. lol? i would though that he was talking bout ps360 games not a wii games cause if i'm not mistaken most wii games are turning profit when they hit 100-150k while bigger projects like Madworld, Overkill are making profit after they sell 200-250k copies considering wii/ds legs and the fact that most games will still sell decent number of cipies 6 months after release. i guess it's easier to sell 100 or even 250k on the wii then FUCKING 1-1.5 MILLION on ps360 just to break even when if game won't sell atleast 1/3 of that on launch week it's fucked big time cause after 8-12 weeks most games are gone.



Basically, this quote: “But you know if Nintendo comes out with a Wii 2 or a Wii HD, and it's got a couple more processors and a little more memory and better graphics, then yes we'll be on it" shows that his company is interested in being able to sell a common product to multiple vendors. Currently, the Wii does not meet those requirements, thus diversification would come at a cost.

I read somewhere (sorry I cannot find it -- I was on a different computer) -- that costs continue to escalate for production of games ... so much so that the fear is that the era of vast, story driven, graphical masterpieces may be coming to an end.

If you produced middleware for vast, story driven, graphical masterpieces and software that was considered the same, you would be upset over the little white box as well.

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mike_intellivision said:
Basically, this quote: “But you know if Nintendo comes out with a Wii 2 or a Wii HD, and it's got a couple more processors and a little more memory and better graphics, then yes we'll be on it" shows that his company is interested in being able to sell a common product to multiple vendors. Currently, the Wii does not meet those requirements, thus diversification would come at a cost.

I read somewhere (sorry I cannot find it -- I was on a different computer) -- that costs continue to escalate for production of games ... so much so that the fear is that the era of vast, story driven, graphical masterpieces may be coming to an end.


If you produced middleware for vast, story driven, graphical masterpieces and software that was considered the same, you would be upset over the little white box as well.

Mike from Morgantown

I doubt it. So long as theres money in producing those games, they will still be produced. The only difference will be that there could only be say 3 produced in a year instead of 5 or 6 and that they would tend to belong to long running series. An example of this is Final Fantasy, standing proudly astride the burning wasteland which is the JRPG market on consoles.



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trestres said:
@GriffinA: What great original games is Activision bringing to the Wii? Besides 100 Guitar Heros and liscensed movie games they aren't supporting the Wii at all. Not even bringing MW2 after bringing CoD: WaW, Activision is truly pathetic with their Wii efforts.

Well Activision Blizzard announced it might be ditching the PlayStation3 if Sony doesn't cut its prices. If that happens and it free's up tons of their staff they will likely shift focus more to Wii. Not to mention the phenominal sales of COD:WAW will definatly drive Activision to put more effort into making Wii titles! Being the new super power Activision Blizzard needs to push their Wii support because at the moment its the most profitable console!



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