the point is where?

I don't know what you are saying because I'm kinda drunk but... I remember from Dec 08 360 had about 700k on shelves and sony had close to 2 mil on shelves... 1.7million? Now the reason VGC gave for this was over shipping and flooding cramming the channels full... but... 360 and ps3 were always close to the same ship to sold ratio before. Then Sony shipped even more then vgc said they sold in Jan - Mar (and 360 less).... but wait... i thought they flooded the channels to make their projections.... why would stores allow even more stock to come to them when they aint selling it?

Lol, I remember when MS tried to create hype for the 360 by claiming it was sold out everywhere.

@Velour : yeah, the shortage, it must be the shortage.

Same reason why MS sold 2k consoles last week in Japan and was outsold by the 10 year old PS2, shortage. ;)

On topic, if vg continues to overtrack 360 that much, it could become the first console ever to sell more than it shipped (achievement unlocked).

Kowenicki is right the adjustments have alrdy been done what else are you guys asking for?

Oh, really?

I didn't even notice.

koffieboon said: Squilliam said: Oh yeah the Xbox 360 software numbers are undertracked by a little over 30M! Anyway another reason to add to the above is that retailers are more fiscally conservative, which means they order fewer consoles and hold fewer in stock due to the reccession which really only hit us at the end of last year and the start of this year, remember? It also helps to explain why certain Wii games may have struggled first week as retailers ordered too few copies. It is actually more likely a sign that numerous 360 titles are overtracked. First of all there will be huge amounts of unsold software at any moment in time, worldwide I wouldn't be surprised if we're talking about 10s of millions of copies for any of the platforms. Then there are enough smaller titles that don't get tracked in every region. If those numbers are added it would raise the software totals considerably. Combined those numbers are likely bigger than the difference in software totals and shipment numbers. And for reference, Wii software totals at April 4 were at 288 million, while shipment numbers were at 353 million for the end of March, a difference of 65 million!

The Wii has a lot more software SKUs than the Xbox 360, and if you consider the number of games released for each platform and the software sales pattern with the Xbox 360 sales being relatively front loaded in comparison to the Wii, you'll see that the Wii has more software on the shelf at any point in time than the Xbox 360. The other thing to consider is that its possible that the Wiis software is also undertracked as a lot of games go under-reported or sell say 100k and then disappear from the shelves.

Squilliam said: koffieboon said: Squilliam said: Oh yeah the Xbox 360 software numbers are undertracked by a little over 30M! Anyway another reason to add to the above is that retailers are more fiscally conservative, which means they order fewer consoles and hold fewer in stock due to the reccession which really only hit us at the end of last year and the start of this year, remember? It also helps to explain why certain Wii games may have struggled first week as retailers ordered too few copies. It is actually more likely a sign that numerous 360 titles are overtracked. First of all there will be huge amounts of unsold software at any moment in time, worldwide I wouldn't be surprised if we're talking about 10s of millions of copies for any of the platforms. Then there are enough smaller titles that don't get tracked in every region. If those numbers are added it would raise the software totals considerably. Combined those numbers are likely bigger than the difference in software totals and shipment numbers. And for reference, Wii software totals at April 4 were at 288 million, while shipment numbers were at 353 million for the end of March, a difference of 65 million! The Wii has a lot more software SKUs than the Xbox 360, and if you consider the number of games released for each platform and the software sales pattern with the Xbox 360 sales being relatively front loaded in comparison to the Wii, you'll see that the Wii has more software on the shelf at any point in time than the Xbox 360. The other thing to consider is that its possible that the Wiis software is also undertracked as a lot of games go under-reported or sell say 100k and then disappear from the shelves.

I don't try to argue that 360 software should see a gap of 65 million as well, I just wanted to show an example which makes the 30 million number seem a lot smaller than it seems at first sight. Also I highly doubt the higher amount of SKUs will make a big difference between the 2 platforms, since many of those SKUs might not even be carried by most retailers, and if they do carry them it will only be in very small quantities. And as far as sales being frontloaded goes, that could work against stock levels just as easily. If those titles bomb there will be a lot more excess stock. In the end just checking stores to compare the amount of shelvespace might actually give a far better view of the amount of software in the wild.

Also when looking at 360 software sales, don't forget there is a huge gap in the software sales in 2006 in Others. It is at only 1 million at the end of 2006, while they already sold 2.55 million consoles at that point in time.

Microsoft shipping is pretty tight. It's not like the Wii and PS3 shipments where there are a bunch in out backroom we usueally only get shipped what we need with rarely two or three left in the back. If they run as efficiantly elsewhere as they do here I expect that there would be a very very fast turn around for Microsoft. This is the opposite of the Wii wich has a very long turn around We get huge stock piles and then maybe one or two here or there and then a huge stock pile and so on

360 fanboys saying the ps3 is overtracked also for no reason whatsoever just because the 360 is?
Cmon... stop the fanboyism.

Would be sad if wasn't hilarious.