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Finally, after a long time, he is back with another blogpost in the style of the older disruption articles (as opposed to his random rants). 

It explains how Nintendo is doing the upstreaming. 

 

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/why-no-discussion-about-overshooting/

"There was someone, responding to my painting a picture of inevitable Core Market melt-down, who said that I had to do this in order to ‘defend’ Nintendo’s strategy. Actually, Core Melt-down is an essential part of disruption. The melt-down is in the overshooting.

"Going upmarket is not a process that will complete itself this console cycle. It could take a decade."

"People are citing Madworld or Conduit as examples of Wii moving ‘upmarket’. Motion controls in games with core values are not what upmarket is about. In both Madworld and Conduit, the Wii-mote provided a more sustaining innovation to these games, not a disruptive one. Conduit’s controls were better than dual analog. But the game did not share any of the expanded market values."

"Sports is an example where Nintendo moved upmarket to get those core gamers onto their system. The gaming press has not noticed this because they don’t even consider sports games to be ‘hardcore’ but ‘casual’. But, no, sports games have been Core Games for quite a while. Playing golf with Motion Plus motion controls is far more appealing to the mass market than playing golf in high definition. While Wii Sports was the ‘low tier’ of that, Motion Plus is a definite move upmarket to those more demanding golf consumers."

"The big question about motion controls is not whether or not there will be better motion controls. There will. The big question about motion controls is when will they begin overshooting the customers. Remember, the bedrock principle of disruption is that products improve faster than customers can absorb. Motion Plus might already be beginning to overshoot the customer needs. If this is true, Sony and Microsoft are in big trouble."



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"The Nintendo fanboys revere the Atari fanboys as gods, and Malstrom is the prophet of their return."

It's really hard to take Malstrom seriously when he's so attached to buzzwords. I guess it comes with his profession, but he puts way too much emphasis on words with really hollow meanings. It makes each of his bits so annoying. And why is he ignoring Natal and Sony motion control, as if Motion Plus is the only thing on the market (save for the Wiimote)?

And this is where he's way too attached to buzz words. He says that sports games are "core" games. They're not. Sports games are a decent chunk of core gamers, and an even larger chunk of casual gamers. That's why the biggest sports games ever have had lots of casual appeal (Madden, Mario & Sonic Olympics). The reason Tiger Woods sells so well on the Wii is not because core gamers want to play motion plus, but because the Wii has the highest userbase, one shifted towards golf (people ages 25-44 and up), and a good control for the game. And good control is something that appeals to "casual" gamers just as much as "core" gamers.

Basically, he hates core gamers, and he doesn't want a group of people to have fun. What a great guy.



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:
"The Nintendo fanboys revere the Atari fanboys as gods, and Malstrom is the prophet of their return."

It's really hard to take Malstrom seriously when he's so attached to buzzwords. I guess it comes with his profession, but he puts way too much emphasis on words with really hollow meanings. It makes each of his bits so annoying. And why is he ignoring Natal and Sony motion control, as if Motion Plus is the only thing on the market (save for the Wiimote)?

And this is where he's way too attached to buzz words. He says that sports games are "core" games. They're not. Sports games are a decent chunk of core gamers, and an even larger chunk of casual gamers. That's why the biggest sports games ever have had lots of casual appeal (Madden, Mario & Sonic Olympics). The reason Tiger Woods sells so well on the Wii is not because core gamers want to play motion plus, but because the Wii has the highest userbase, one shifted towards golf (people ages 25-44 and up), and a good control for the game. And good control is something that appeals to "casual" gamers just as much as "core" gamers.

Basically, he hates core gamers, and he doesn't want a group of people to have fun. What a great guy.


I can understand how you have a hard time taking him seriously but he does raise some entertaining points. Not that you have to take them seriously, but they are very interesting to read, at the very least. And that is where he gets credit from me.

Why is he ignoring Natal and anything from Sony? Maybe because they are NOT on the market yet. How can you talk about something that is as hollow as the buzzwords you are irritated by (at this point)? Products like that do not deserve mention yet because nobody really knows enough to take them seriously (or not). That was rather unfair of you.

Not all Sports games are core games, nor are they all casual. Some even blend the two together (sometimes well, sometimes not so...) but there are definitely core sports games just as any other genre can do the same. Tiger sells well because 1) It is Tiger. 2) The controls are amazing. 3) The price is not unreasonable. 4) It is the most realistic golf game in the world.

Where does he say he does not want core gamers to have fun? Nowhere? Now you are just being a great big jerk and losing any cred. you had going for you.



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I agree with Malstrom about motion overshooting - but for an entirely different reason.
The motion set-ups make the consoles much less mobile. I take my GC all over the house whereas my Wii is tethered to a particular TV set. Microsoft and Sony are about to do the same for their consoles, except their general user is much more wanting to move things around and play on the road.

Think about it.

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I like the part about the sports games. It's spot on.



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MontanaHatchet said:
And why is he ignoring Natal and Sony motion control, as if Motion Plus is the only thing on the market (save for the Wiimote)?

They're vapourware. There's not been a single demonstration, video or playable, showing the device and software the public will use with it. It's just unverifiable videos of misleading tech demos, and hype. And, importantly, no release date. Even Nintendo had one of those for WM+.



Soleron said:
MontanaHatchet said:
And why is he ignoring Natal and Sony motion control, as if Motion Plus is the only thing on the market (save for the Wiimote)?

They're vapourware. There's not been a single demonstration, video or playable, showing the device and software the public will use with it. It's just unverifiable videos of misleading tech demos, and hype. And, importantly, no release date. Even Nintendo had one of those for WM+.

 

He's not ignoring them. He believes that Natal will have Xbox fanboys raging at microsoft, and he believes the PS3 is too upmarket and hard to develop for for the motion control to be sucessful.

He even mentioned the competition in the article.



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MontanaHatchet said:


It's really hard to take Malstrom seriously when he's so attached to buzzwords. I guess it comes with his profession, but he puts way too much emphasis on words with really hollow meanings. It makes each of his bits so annoying. And why is he ignoring Natal and Sony motion control, as if Motion Plus is the only thing on the market (save for the Wiimote)?

To address this point, he feels that the technology of it is irrelevant. It's a consumer-focused thing, according to him, and a technological solution is not going to help them in this case. Plus he's of the opinion that Natal is the next surface, so it's a non-factor

 

I agree with the former point, though not with the latter.



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MontanaHatchet said:
"The Nintendo fanboys revere the Atari fanboys as gods, and Malstrom is the prophet of their return."

It's really hard to take Malstrom seriously when he's so attached to buzzwords. I guess it comes with his profession, but he puts way too much emphasis on words with really hollow meanings. It makes each of his bits so annoying. And why is he ignoring Natal and Sony motion control, as if Motion Plus is the only thing on the market (save for the Wiimote)?

And this is where he's way too attached to buzz words. He says that sports games are "core" games. They're not. Sports games are a decent chunk of core gamers, and an even larger chunk of casual gamers. That's why the biggest sports games ever have had lots of casual appeal (Madden, Mario & Sonic Olympics). The reason Tiger Woods sells so well on the Wii is not because core gamers want to play motion plus, but because the Wii has the highest userbase, one shifted towards golf (people ages 25-44 and up), and a good control for the game. And good control is something that appeals to "casual" gamers just as much as "core" gamers.

Basically, he hates core gamers, and he doesn't want a group of people to have fun. What a great guy.

Doesn't he only hate core gamers that wish that the so called "hardcore market" should be the only market in the games industry? Tell me specificially where in his blog posts did he say that he despises all types of so-called "hardcore gamers"?

I think you're letting yourself get offended by his writing. Calm down, quit reading his blog posts for a little while, & don't get so riled up after reading his posts if you do start reading them again.

 

That being said, I wonder how well Malstrom will do in the vgchartz forums. The only thing I could predict is that several members might get banned from trying to flame him.



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mike_intellivision said:
I agree with Malstrom about motion overshooting - but for an entirely different reason.
The motion set-ups make the consoles much less mobile. I take my GC all over the house whereas my Wii is tethered to a particular TV set. Microsoft and Sony are about to do the same for their consoles, except their general user is much more wanting to move things around and play on the road.

Think about it.

Mike from Morgantown

I don't know what your problem is. I also used my GC mobile all the time. I even bought a special GC bag. Than I switched to the Wii and also travel with it all the time. I even use the same GC bag for it. The Wii itself is smaller and there is enough space for 2 Wiimotes and Nunchucks. (I only had space for one GC-controller earlier ...)