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lestatdark on 13 June 2010
mirgro said:
lestatdark said:
mirgro said:
lestatdark said:
mirgro said:

Germany's 2nd goal was the best goal yet. Meanwhile the first was utter bullshit. Even my blind grandmother saw the offsides, and they really really did not deserve that. Their victory will be absolutely hollow and undeserved.


Actually Muller wasn't offside. The defense covering Klose on the center part of the goal area was putting Muller legally on play. 


Maybe you should really watch the replay. I didn't catch who it was, since I don't know futch all too well, on the top but he was definitely behind every defender, by a wide margin too. No one passed to him, but that doesn't matter, it's offsides as long as there is a pass while an attacker is behind the defenders.

I'm watching the game, and the replay was passed here exhaustively, with a virtual offside line. There's a defender close to Klose on the center part of the area that's putting Muller onside. Since Klose isn't an active part of the play at that moment, it isn't considered offside. 

For an attacker to be offside he has to be part of the play. Klose only became an equation once Muller did the cross, at which time he was behind Muller, which becomes the new offside line. 

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Fast Forward to 00:30 and pause there. Look at Muller's position and then look at the defender near Klose's position. This should dispel any doubts about the alleged offside.


That is false. For an offside it does not matter if the player is part of the play or not.

"A player is in an offside position if he is in his opponents' half of the field and is nearer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and the next to last opponent."

As such, the german was committing offsides plain as day.

You forgot that in the case of Klose, as he's not directly interfering with the play, it would be Offside Offence.

In the cases of Offside Offence you have:

 

"Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is touched or played by a team-mate is only committing an offside offenceif, in the opinion of the referee, he becomes actively involved in play by.

Interfering with playPlaying or touching the ballInterfering with an opponentPreventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player's sight or intentionally distracting the opponentGaining an advantage by being in an offside positionPlaying the ball after the ball has rebounded off the goal, the goalkeeper, or any opponent"

As neither of these situations happened, the referee couldn't consider it to be an Offside Offence. 

 

 

 



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lestatdark on 13 June 2010

Great and now I have broken the thread >_>



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lestatdark on 13 June 2010

As for what I said. 

Klose's situation can only be considered Offside Offence if:

Interfering with play -Playing or touching the ball

Interfering with an opponent - Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player's sight or intentionally distracting the opponent

Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position - Playing the ball after the ball has rebounded off the goal, the goalkeeper, or any opponent

Neither of these situations happened.



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Kantor on 13 June 2010

I love the Sony advertising all around the pitch.

Also, who was saying World Cup matches aren't exciting?



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lestatdark on 13 June 2010
kowenicki said:

It wasn't off side in the modern interpretation, i.e. active.

but anyway... dont get carried away.  Australia are AWFUL!  never seen such inept defending.


Yeah, I think even though Germany has been playing one of the best games so far in the WC, the passiveness and complete lack of positioning by the Australians has also played a huge part in this result. It will be nice to see what Germany does against a better defense.



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draik on 13 June 2010
mirgro said:
lestatdark said:
mirgro said:
lestatdark said:
mirgro said:

Germany's 2nd goal was the best goal yet. Meanwhile the first was utter bullshit. Even my blind grandmother saw the offsides, and they really really did not deserve that. Their victory will be absolutely hollow and undeserved.


Actually Muller wasn't offside. The defense covering Klose on the center part of the goal area was putting Muller legally on play. 


Maybe you should really watch the replay. I didn't catch who it was, since I don't know futch all too well, on the top but he was definitely behind every defender, by a wide margin too. No one passed to him, but that doesn't matter, it's offsides as long as there is a pass while an attacker is behind the defenders.

I'm watching the game, and the replay was passed here exhaustively, with a virtual offside line. There's a defender close to Klose on the center part of the area that's putting Muller onside. Since Klose isn't an active part of the play at that moment, it isn't considered offside. 

For an attacker to be offside he has to be part of the play. Klose only became an equation once Muller did the cross, at which time he was behind Muller, which becomes the new offside line. 

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Fast Forward to 00:30 and pause there. Look at Muller's position and then look at the defender near Klose's position. This should dispel any doubts about the alleged offside.


That is false. For an offside it does not matter if the player is part of the play or not.

"A player is in an offside position if he is in his opponents' half of the field and is nearer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and the next to last opponent."

As such, the german was committing offsides plain as day.

He was not offside, learn the rules. The player who received the ball was not in an offside position, the other german player was in offside position but did not take part in the play. Therefor the offside player should not be taking into account.



 

draik on 13 June 2010

^ wow that is weird, I quoted someone and something I didn't write is in my post.



 

haxxiy on 13 June 2010

Exactly as I expected for the best team in the cup. A true champion should score a lot and

display technical prowess instead of blaming bad goalkeepers.



 

 

 

 

 

mirgro on 13 June 2010
kowenicki said:

It wasn't off side in the modern interpretation, i.e. active.

but anyway... dont get carried away.  Australia are AWFUL!  never seen such inept defending.


It has always been "active" but I gues they changed the rules recently cause as far as I can remember, that was a textbook offside call.



lestatdark on 13 June 2010

Thread is broken, because of my quoting of Migro in the last page >_<



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