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scorptile said: so parents are happy, and playing and the whole family values thing is there. but with the ps3 and xbox360 all they see is fat kids playin games on expensive game machines and doesnt sit well and confusing controls baffles older and younger gamers so it shuts off the need for those kind of machines.
Everyone is happy with Wii. It's so sweet and funny. I think Wii is a cure for all problems of mankind.



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I think a PS3 price-cut wont help. I think the Wii is teh' best. You can zoom... into porn... Parrent safe, Kiddy friendly.



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HappySqurriel said: Well maybe Europeans are crazy, but I don't know a single person who has spend more than $200 on a Cellphone ... most people will get a contract and pay (at most) $100 for a phone Anyways ... every month after the NPD numbers have come out it seems like I get to argue why the "Next Month" will not be the PS3's month or why the PS3 will not perform well at its current price; regardless on that I have yet to be wrong people keep arguing that the PS3 will be a smash success.
I dont know if you've ever heard of a 'motorola Razor' Because if you dont live in a hole, you know it's the most popular, over-priced, and over rated cell phone on the market. You dont know anyone with a phone worth more than 200$? http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-RAZR-V3-Phone-Cingular/dp/B0006I2E1O I know over 10 people with that phone. I'm not gonna say the price... because I want you to go THERE to see the price. EDIT: If you think you got your phone for free... and you pay 100$/month with 2/year contract. You might as well consider having paid 1000$ for your phone.



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Kwaad said: I dont know if you've ever heard of a 'motorola Razor' Because if you dont live in a hole, you know it's the most popular, over-priced, and over rated cell phone on the market. You dont know anyone with a phone worth more than 200$? http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-RAZR-V3-Phone-Cingular/dp/B0006I2E1O I know over 10 people with that phone. I'm not gonna say the price... because I want you to go THERE to see the price. EDIT: If you think you got your phone for free... and you pay 100$/month with 2/year contract. You might as well consider having paid 1000$ for your phone.
Ugh I have to say something. Kwaad, maybe you should go back to Amazon and actually take the time to look at the price, $0.01 with a plan. I don't think HappySqurriel is the one living in a hole, the RAZR hasn't retailed at $500 for a long time now. Everybody has a RAZR now because they are practically giving it away for free when you sign up for a plan. You can also buy one easily right now completely unlocked for $125-$150. Also HappySqurriel never once said he is paying $100 per month on his contract, HappySqurriel said "most people will get a contract and pay (at most) $100 for a phone". You know I honestly hope that Sony does well. If they succeed and companies make good games for the PS3 it will be good for all gamers. But your posts are nothing but empty arguments and you give PS3 fans a bad name. You should read your posts and other people's posts more carefully before you hit that button.



zukaus said: Ugh I have to say something. Kwaad, maybe you|||free with contract. You pay for what you get. Notice the 100$ mail in rebate as well||| should go back to Amazon and actually take the time to look at the price, $0.01 with a plan. I don't think HappySqurriel is the one living in a hole, the RAZR hasn't retailed at $500 for a long time now. Everybody has a RAZR now because they are practically giving it away for free when you sign up for a plan. You can also buy one easily right now completely unlocked for $125-$150. Also HappySqurriel never once said he|||neither did I. I used you, as in general. ||| is paying $100 per month on his contract, HappySqurriel said "most people will get a contract and pay (at most) $100 for a phone.||| You still pay for it with contract. Just not up front.||| You know I honestly hope the Sony does well. If they succeed and companies make good games for the PS3 it will be good for all gamers. But your posts are nothing but empty arguments, you give PS3 fans a bad name. You should read your posts and other people's posts more carefully before you hit that button.
I got a free 40inch 1080p Samsung TV with a 2 year contract. If you wanna talk about paying for stuff over time. I didnt even have to deal with a mail in rebate. Dont take everything I say literal. And for crying out loud. You think you get stuff for free? I paid 1900$ on my TV. It's on a credit card. If I pay it off over 2 years, I dont pay intrest. I have a 120$/month cell phone bill. I have received ~900$ worth of cell phones over the last 18months and my contract is up in 6 months. My total bill will be 120*24 = 2880$ I could buy me a DAMN nice Sound system for my TV, AND pay off my TV with that. Nothing is free. *nothing* (unless it is advertisements)



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I bought 1,400$ LCD from LG on sale on Black Friday for 750$ with a 40$ mail in rebate. I bought my phone a RAZR because it was a special the phone was free and the other free phone(the standard model) was ugly as sin. My cell phone bill is 85$ a month with 2 phones. I'm not saying this to go against you or anything but a LOT of people wait for sales and price drops just like me. In fact I'd say they were in the majority and a good chunk of those are willing to sacrifice some quality for a few hundred bucks if the difference isn't noticeable. I have plans to buy a PS3, in fact I -like- the PS3 and see some good things for it, but you could hold a gun to my head and I wouldn't buy one for 600 500 or even 400$ for me 300$ for a system is pushing it. 50$ for a game is damn near my limit unless the game is something amazing. In fact 90% of my games are purchased when they hit golden price $19.99 or even later from places like half.com for $9.99. Sony has said the pricing for their games will be 59.99 - 99.99 and let me tell you.. I could want the game so bad it kills me.. and I would never pay $99.99 I wouldn't even entertain the thought of it and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think Sony would benefit amazingly from a big price drop, I just don't think it's possible in light of recent problems the company has had with products(such as laptop batteries). I'd venture to guess it's sales would easily see a 5-15% boost with a 100$ price drop.



Kwaad said: I got a free 40inch 1080p Samsung TV with a 2 year contract. If you wanna talk about paying for stuff over time. I didnt even have to deal with a mail in rebate. Dont take everything I say literal. And for crying out loud. You think you get stuff for free? I paid 1900$ on my TV. It's on a credit card. If I pay it off over 2 years, I dont pay intrest. I have a 120$/month cell phone bill. I have received ~900$ worth of cell phones over the last 18months and my contract is up in 6 months. My total bill will be 120*24 = 2880$ I could buy me a DAMN nice Sound system for my TV, AND pay off my TV with that. Nothing is free. *nothing* (unless it is advertisements)
Wow... nothing is free, thanks for the lesson on capitalism, what a grand revelation. I never said anything was truly free, I said "they are practically giving it (RAZR) away for free when you sign up for a plan". Obviously the price of the phone is subsidized by your contract, I never said otherwise. Once again your pointless arguments are just trying to divert the attention from the errors in your previous posts... it's just a vicious cycle.



Maybe, maybe not it all depends on what games are out by then.



 

  

 

Kwaad said: You know I honestly hope the Sony does well. If they succeed and companies make good games for the PS3 it will be good for all gamers. But your posts are nothing but empty arguments, you give PS3 fans a bad name. You should read your posts and other people's posts more carefully before you hit that button. I got a free 40inch 1080p Samsung TV with a 2 year contract. If you wanna talk about paying for stuff over time. I didnt even have to deal with a mail in rebate. Dont take everything I say literal. And for crying out loud. You think you get stuff for free? I paid 1900$ on my TV. It's on a credit card. If I pay it off over 2 years, I dont pay intrest. I have a 120$/month cell phone bill. I have received ~900$ worth of cell phones over the last 18months and my contract is up in 6 months. My total bill will be 120*24 = 2880$ I could buy me a DAMN nice Sound system for my TV, AND pay off my TV with that. Nothing is free. *nothing* (unless it is advertisements)
If you had invested 1900 in Nintendo stock one year ago, you would have earned enough to buy that TV and still have a good lump of change left minus taxes. That's about as close to free as you could get. You look at the deal you get buying things, I look at the deal I can get through investment.



I don't think a price cut helps so much at the height they are now. My take is that the XBox 360 sales are a RESULT of THEIR high price. They could sell MUCH more if they weren't at this USA $400/$300 level. Some people don't even like paying $200 for a game system preferring the price to come down to about $150 or so before buying. That's the whole purpose of a price drop: to get more people willing to buy the product. But that price drop has to be in the range that lowers the barrier to access. FACT: There are MORE poor & working class people in the world than any other. The nature of human greed throughout history designed this social pyramid so since the BASE of the Egyptian triangle thingy is made up of more of the budget-conscious poor & middle economic classes, you had better take heed of their concerns more than you would for any other. Will more people be willing to buy a PS3 for $500 rather than $600? Yes. Is this number of people significant? Probably not. $500 is STILL too high for a toy known as a game console. Just like $400 is too high. $300 should be absolute CAP on what a game console should cost. And personally I don't spend more than $200 for any game console Wii excluded since basic operating costs are included in package unlike the cases of Gamecube & Nintendo 64. I had never bought a console at launch before & usually only got my console after 1st price drop in the $150 range. Wii was so good I actually was ready to buy at launch. All other times it could wait. Microsoft can do whatever they wanna do because they're the Daddy Warbucks company. They got money to burn. That is the only reason they survived the actual failure of the XBox. Yes XBox 1 in reality failed. Only because Microsoft was willing waste money was it able to stay in the market. Which in turn allowed the 3rd parties to invest in supplying the console since they didn't have to worry about XBox falling off the map due to the money cushion. $4 Billion is lot of money. Say it like Chris Rock from his role in "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka": "Good Laaaawwd! That's a lotta money!" If any other company lost $4,000,000,000 playing the vidgame biz game they'd be out of business! So money worries don't easily apply to Microsoft. As long as they feel they can dump money into the project (I call 'em green 'roids with the faces of Presidents) and as long as the shareholders put up with it, Microsoft can spend Macrohard ALL night long. WHOO! (sorry a li'l Ric Flair got in there) Sony on the other hand while being a multi-faceted conglomerational corporation (yes I like to Don King my words) ain't got the bank, ain't got the pockets to be wasting like Billy's company can. Nor the flexibility due to the nature of their corporate setup. The videogame sector is one of their shining lights right now. All other sectors are facing trouble of some sort somewhere somehow. Sony won't go out of business if the PS3 fails but you can bet your bottom dollar that a restructuring will be a-comin' soon, a downsizing that in the worst case scenario will leave Sony jettisoning its videogame, excuse me, computer entertainment division altogether in order to stay solvent. Sony is already selling this thing at a loss from jump. It's bad when it takes say $800 to make a system and you sell it for $600 and sell say 2 million systems: $800 cost X 2,000,000 systems = $1,600,000,000 loss (one billion, six hundred million) $600 sale X 2,000,000 systems = $1,200,000,000 profit (one billion, two hundred million) $1.6 billion - $1.2 billion = $400,000,000 They would OWE Four Hundred Million Dollars! Their success actually HURTS them. That's the problem with a lossleading business strategy. It's supposed to be a temporary strategy to get your foot in the door, not a way of life. Because they don't make money on hardware they are dependent on software royalties to make up the gap. But if they don't move enough units, they have smaller bases to draw software sales FROM. Catch 22 Thousand. Dropping price more creates more loss to make up which creates more impassioned need to move more games. They would be more dependent on many multiple-million sellers to negotiate the differential. It's HAAAAARD to sell games. This is a tough business that is hard to make money from. Why do you think only one old school company exists in hardware now while the other competitors are multi-faceted monolithic megalomaniacal megalomart corporations? (sorry. couldn't find another 'M' word for the alliteration) And why do you think these megalos STILL use lossleading strategies JUST to make a LITTLE profit? Or to seek to make a little profit in the case of one of the mega-companies? There was ALWAYS a problem with the Playstation 2's success. They put so much money in to get so little in return. They profitted, yes, but in comparison to their amazing units sold figure it doesn't match up. Pyrrhic Victory. They won the battle but at what cost? Sony set their Playstation up to have to be dominant JUST to be able to make money. That's the adrenaline principle. I compare it to one of my favorite shows Dragonball Z. It takes a lot of energy to maintain that Super Saiyan level. It taxes the body. You'll give out if you don't come down off of that rush. Sure while in the zone you can do anything but eventually you'll have to come down to the mortal level and what will you be able to do then? Steroids. Green Steroids with the faces of old men on them. Microsoft has a bigger supply of the performance-enhancing substances than Sony and Sony will break their bank trying to follow behind them. Playstation 3 was dependent on continuing the dominance of the Playstation brand but now that's basically lost on both ends. They gotta deal with Wii in homebase Japan (360 is a non-factor there) and they gotta deal with Wii AND 360 everywhere else. 360 had the headstart & Wii's got the buzz. PS3's playing catchup & will be playing catchup all generation long assuming they can survive the generation. Everytime Microsoft drops that price it makes the disparity between the consoles that much greater seeing as they are basically mirror image systems. They both aim for the same audience and have similar approaches to business strategy and outreach. PS3 tries to match them that same old original differential still remains. ~Anything you can do I can do betterrrr. ~I can do anything better than you.~ ~No you can't.~ ~Yes I can.~ ~No you can't.~ ~Yes I can.~ ~No you can't.~ ~Yes I caaaaaan!~ Microsoft will be playing that "cross this line" game with Sony all through the 7th gen until we end up with a Wile E. kind of situation and Merrie Melodies-esque cliffdrop gag. And all the while it won't even matter until the price drop gets closer to the $250/$200/$175/$150 range in the first place. That will be the only thing that allows Sony to get userbase up enough to make up the difference using software sales. You and I BOTH know Sony ain't anywhere NEAR smelling that anytime soon. They don't need a price cut, they need a price butchering! They need to get rid of the apple slicer and get that big cleaver to cut on THAT price. A machete on that son of a gun. Time's a-movin' and the longer Sony delays in this the worse it'll be. But they really can't do that anyway. The more they drop the more that gap between cost to produce & profit from sale widens. Chipping away at production costs can alleviate it but I don't know how effective this can be at this stage in the game. And remember guys, price drop ain't ALWAYS a savior. Do you remember a certain little purple lunchbox not too long ago that was almost flea market price and still didn't give that shot in the arm saleswise? That cube didn't have the proper exponentials to get those sales to the third power (god my puns). History's a wonderful teacher & logic's a beautiful textbook. Gotta put things in context. John Lucas



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