Although I agree with Samus Aran that this discussion is more tired then WWII FPS, it's still interesting to see people viewpoints.

.....It's surprising how adamant people are that the Wii will NEVER get any major 3rd party title (obviously we're talking Western not Eastern as DQ&MH3 wave hello) Like this gen is going to be over next year. If this gen last as long as the console manufacturers want it too, WHO KNOWS what Wii Support will be like. Especially with the prospect that Nintendo MAY HAVE an HD sku at some point. Sony & Microsoft aren't trying to get into the motion control game cause it's "cool".

TheSource said: DQ and MH are exceptions due to user base issues.

True, but I think people are more focused on Western devs too. cause I find whenever this topic come up it's mainly western devs they are focused on...

I'm going to like next gen because the console of Nintendo will make the biggest changes :)
Who doesn't want to play all of Nintendo's greatest games in HD? I think next gen will be Nintendo's best console. It may not be the best selling console(it will be hard to top the wii in sales), but it will be better and probably win the "console wars" again(I hope because if one company deserves it, then it's Nintendo!)

Samus Aran said: I'm going to like next gen because the console of Nintendo will make the biggest changes :) Who doesn't want to play all of Nintendo's greatest games in HD? I think next gen will be Nintendo's best console. It may not be the best selling console(it will be hard to top the wii in sales), but it will be better and probably win the "console wars" again(I hope because if one company deserves it, then it's Nintendo!)

Yeah all 3 consoles on a level playing field would be fun to have a discussion over, but for MS & Sony to truly battle Nintendo next gen (Motion controls or bust), I think the traditional gamer is going to be a redass...

HappySqurriel said: BMaker11 said: --OkeyDokey-- said: Soriku said: --OkeyDokey-- said: routsounmanman said: --OkeyDokey-- said: It's not because the games won't sell, it's because nobody wants to make games on outdated hardware. That's really all there is to it. The PS2 was less powerful than the competition, but it was powerful enough. Ahhhh, so that's why developers steer clear of the DS while opting for the superior PSP. Gotcha. I'll pretend DQIX never happened. No, they avoid both. Japan would like a word. Okay, if power's not the issue, then why isn't Modern Warfare 2, Assassins Creed 2, Resident Evil 5, Bioshock 2, Street Fighter IV, UFC Undisputed, Tekken 6, Prototype, BlazBlue, Lost Planet 2, Red Faction: Guerilla, Fight Night Round 4 and just about every other 2009 multiplat title not getting a Wii version? Wii sells more software than the other consoles, so we know that's not the reason. I know that you're trying to say, but I wanna facepalm pic here. When you look at the Wii's software numbers, you see things like Mario, Zelda, Brawl, etc selling 5M+. Then those other games that sell multiple millions? Cooking Mama, Mario and Sonic, Raving Rabbids...etc. Not games that are in the style of the games you mentioned SaviorX hit the nail on the noggin when he said "which kinds" of games are selling on the Wii. I, too, wouldn't want to be associated with the "it sells the most 3rd party software...because games like Mario and Sonic sell gangbusters". Does it sell the most 3rd party software? Absolutely. Does it sell the "types" of games we associate ourselves with as gamers, in order to get that title? No. One thing that I think OkeyDokey missed is the obvious point that one version will always suffer in multiplatform games when they're on both the HD consoles and the Wii unless the different versions are built from the ground up for their particular console. If you are going to have to build a game from scratch anyways, why would publishers focus on a multiplatform title; in particular knowing that lots of people have multiple consoles and people are not likely to buy two versions of the same game.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Wii hardware is so different that a game can't just be ported. So, it's either make a Wii exclusive or make a PS3/350/PC multiplat. Most are choosing the latter.

Dno said: bdbdbd said: @Dno: Whoa. That was by far the most ignorant post towards Unreal Tournament and Unreal engines. Epics bread and butter product is its games engines and games tend to be only tech demos about what you can do with the engine. Why the publishers are using the hit driven model? As far as i can see, it's not viable model. Could the publishers want to raise the cost of entry to eliminate competition? And, Wii released november 2006, that makes it 2 years and 9 nine months old. And that's a fact, not 3-4 years. The devs are saying it's hard to make Wii games because they can't just rely on graphical upgrade what they can do with PS360, they need to make the game itself good. @Ail: Yes, they need the type of games. But that's not different from last gen. And, EA doesn't need to create that huge revenue, if it can turn them into more profit. If they can't do it with the current model, EA is forced to sack staff anyway. Why multi-million selling 3rd party games isn't easy to come up with, especially on Wii? We have lots of 1st party examples already and 3rd party games aswell. how is that ignorant? has any console epic games sold more then Gears? whats the highest selling unreal game on a console? Fact a console 360 only title made epic a a lot of money and now people are asking about them a lot more. You can go off topic as much as you like but ps360 companies make money. ALl you are doing is calling us ingorant (which is not true because i know all about epic) and not giving any facts to back up the agruement that most 3rd parties do not need wii to make money. so into you agree or disagree on that topic i will not argue with you.

You were saying Gears of War made Epic a rich company, when the game actually was only pocket money to Epic. And that has nothing to do with consoles, aside from demoing how their engine works with them.

Most 3rd parties do need the Wii. The actual sales of most games are below the profitability level of PS360 titles and in order to keep profiting, they have to have huge hits to offset the failures (at this point we could start thinking what's the idea of making these games, that aren't expected to sell anyway and eat away profits and resources from successful games).

senortaco said: BMaker11 said: mike_intellivision said: Third parties do not develop for the Wii as much as the other consoles for two reasons. The first is inertia. They Wii was expected to do mediocre (at best) to poorly this generation. Instead, it has outsold the Xbox 360 and PS3 worldwide since its release. But the companies were all prepared to develop for the HD consoles. Now, with all of that investment in resources -- people and equipment -- to develop for those machines, they have to recoup their investment. Second, the Wii is targeted toward everyone. Nintendo realized that chasing the 18-34 male demographic exclusively did not work because (1) that demographic is shrinking and (2) that demographic does not think much of Nintendo's offerings (or at least is pre-disposed to buy something that someone else is offering). The third parties traditionally have offered games that appeal to the 18-34 male demographic; for the most they do not know how to do more broadly-appealing games (e.g., Activision's offerings on the Wii). Thus, they continue to do what they know how to do. Third parties could take N'Gai Croal's strategy and develop for the Wii and upscale to the PS3 and Xbox 360. Unfortunately, because many of the developers are stuck in a "technology trap" (aka graphics concerns outweigh gameplay concerns), doing such is not an acceptable possibility for them. Mike from Morgantown THIS THIS THIS! You've finally worded what I couldn't since the pattern of big franchise 3rd party games not being on the Wii started. Perfect explanation to "why doesn't Street Fighter, Tekken, Final Fantasy, GTA, blah blah blah etc etc" don't end up on the Wii. I've seen some pretty hairbrain explanations from Wii fans...but I think you nailed it perfectly...as stagnant as it makes the industry seem The industry is DEFINITELY stagnate,  thats way Nintendo want the way they did and thats to improve on the interface verses the graphics. One thing that I will agree with the Pacthman on is 2010, or whenever the next gen is, is going to be awesome. You're going to have an even playing field from a graphical standpoint, and you'll have motion controls as well.

Natal and PS-Mote?

^ A gimmick this late in gen will never take off...

bdbdbd said: Dno said: bdbdbd said: @Dno: Whoa. That was by far the most ignorant post towards Unreal Tournament and Unreal engines. Epics bread and butter product is its games engines and games tend to be only tech demos about what you can do with the engine. Why the publishers are using the hit driven model? As far as i can see, it's not viable model. Could the publishers want to raise the cost of entry to eliminate competition? And, Wii released november 2006, that makes it 2 years and 9 nine months old. And that's a fact, not 3-4 years. The devs are saying it's hard to make Wii games because they can't just rely on graphical upgrade what they can do with PS360, they need to make the game itself good. @Ail: Yes, they need the type of games. But that's not different from last gen. And, EA doesn't need to create that huge revenue, if it can turn them into more profit. If they can't do it with the current model, EA is forced to sack staff anyway. Why multi-million selling 3rd party games isn't easy to come up with, especially on Wii? We have lots of 1st party examples already and 3rd party games aswell. how is that ignorant? has any console epic games sold more then Gears? whats the highest selling unreal game on a console? Fact a console 360 only title made epic a a lot of money and now people are asking about them a lot more. You can go off topic as much as you like but ps360 companies make money. ALl you are doing is calling us ingorant (which is not true because i know all about epic) and not giving any facts to back up the agruement that most 3rd parties do not need wii to make money. so into you agree or disagree on that topic i will not argue with you. You were saying Gears of War made Epic a rich company, when the game actually was only pocket money to Epic. And that has nothing to do with consoles, aside from demoing how their engine works with them. Most 3rd parties do need the Wii. The actual sales of most games are below the profitability level of PS360 titles and in order to keep profiting, they have to have huge hits to offset the failures (at this point we could start thinking what's the idea of making these games, that aren't expected to sell anyway and eat away profits and resources from successful games).

just no.

i didnt say it made it a rich company i said it made epic a lot of money.. and its not on the wii. almost 11 million sold on the gears name.... hmmm thats a huge profit to me. it has to be Epics biggest game. And since they havent made a game on pc in years (and their next game is on 360 most likely) it seems epic is a console only dev for now right? So that statement is wrong. Epic has a LOT to do with consoles

 

edit: o and i just named about 8 of the biggest companies that made a profit from very little wii support so scroll up. "MOST" is not the right word to use....

Samus Aran said: If you look at the % of the amount of million sellers that are from nintendo compared to the total amount of million sellers on the wii, it's only a little bit higher then the % of million sellers of sony compared to the total million sellers of the ps3. So, what was your point again?

that Sony and nintendo make great games?

I like how these whole thread was about the HD twins (at least my little rant) and you completely cut the 360 out of all of your arguements lol good way to argue lol.

So again my point was ps360 makes money for lots of devs. and dev support in the past and so far this year have proven that as there are more  big name games on ps360 dropping then wii. in 5 years who know but right now this is the truth.