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digitalentourage said:
saicho said:
Taz! said:
jefforange89 said:
I'd say Mario Kart Wii >>> both of them.

It's not a racing sim. It is fun tho...

But it says racing game not racing sim in the title and your original post never mentioned "racing sim" either. I don't see why MK Wii can't be definitive racing game of this gen.

because mario kart wii has major flaws. The game plays itself, the winner appears to be randomly generated, the controls are wonky, WM+ might fix this, the tracks are dull, the variation is unimaginative and it does nothing to be a definitive racing game. It is the Definitive party racing game though. However, Mod Nation Racers seems to of done everything mario kart wii did, better, and with more content..

obviously you don't know much about Mario Kart. Go read this and then race 1 time, then you can continue to hate the Wii

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=79549




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Munkeh111 said:
There is only one thing on there that really matters, the Top Gear test track

And anyway, there are still many unknowns with Gran Turismo, such as the damage and more

Man if Gt5 has the fxx Shumis time on the top gear track is so going down!!!

 

Gt5 will have REAL damage not that ricer bs Forza has.



nightsurge said:
Carl2291 said:
Someone put a message up for like... 5minutes.

Then the mods took it down.

Forza lost with bribes, and next to no publicity a 5 times larger franchise on the GT forums that is GT.

Fixed.  Already explained how it wasn't a bribe.

You know what else?  I searched just one GT Forum (gtplanet) and got tons of results about the Cnet poll.  So obviously their forums (which are likely much larger than Forza's) also got lots of publicity.

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/gtsearch.php?cx=017836040815277430779%3Axhnwh8_8h5o&cof=FORID%3A11&q=vote+for+GT5&sa=Search#1069

you explained how they lied then...they lure you to think that they would give away free cars...but they dont??...so not only do they lure you with bribe..but they lie and not give away the free car...



twingo said:
Munkeh111 said:
There is only one thing on there that really matters, the Top Gear test track

And anyway, there are still many unknowns with Gran Turismo, such as the damage and more

Man if Gt5 has the fxx Shumis time on the top gear track is so going down!!!

 

Gt5 will have REAL damage not that ricer bs Forza has.

But that was taken down as it was not the Stig... they game better have the Stig's times on it, and at the moment it looks like it won't be on GT PSP



Taz! said:

Before I start I'd just like to say that I loved Forza 2 and that Forza 3 is going to be great. I'd also like to say that Turn 10 and Microsoft have brought this on themselves with their big mouths. You can't go making ridiculous claims without having substance to back it up. I'l do a simple list to show how from a standpoint of features, Forza aint the one that's 'definitive.'

GT5 VS FORZA 3

More Cars vs Less Cars Forza3 1mln polygons per car in Forza 3 vs 200k polygons per car in GT5 and how do you know how many car GT5 will have? not to mention if you we all know that PD is duplicating all their cars many times over and over and over with different paintjobs. Forza 3 have 400 ORIGINAL cars how many ORIGINAL cars GT5 will have?

More Tracks vs Less Tracks how do you know that there will be more tracks in GT5? Forza 3 will have 100 tracks on day one.

1080p vs 720p real 720p in Forza 3 vs fake 1080p in GT5

60fps vs 60fps

World Rally vs No Rally 24h Le Mans VS No 24h Le Mans

Weather System vs No Weather System was it confirmed by PD? no.

Night Racing vs No night racing was it confirmed by PD? no.

Top Gear Test Track vs No Top Gear Test Track (This is important to some UK folks) ugh again, you want me to list all the tracks that won't be in GT5 and will be in Forza 3?

Nascar (although prolly only 16 cars) vs No Nascar again, 24h Le Mans VS No 24h Le Mans

Can be used with alot of steering wheels vs Can be used with a few steering wheels what kind of argument is this?

16 cars on track vs 8 cars on track ugh, 8 cars with rollover with awesome AI and with the best physics you can get on the consoles vs 16 cars with bad AI and psx physics

Little car exterior customization vs Full exterior customization still no confirmation by PD

Almost CGI graphics (the trailer was 'real') vs Amazing graphics again have you seen GT5 gameplay? no

No/Little tyre deformation vs Tyre deformation which means it's not a racing sim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap1nna2xibY

Probably little damage vs Full Damage and Car rolls

..........Doesn't look all that 'definitive' to me.

And, then people who think they are experts will say...'but Forza handles more realistically, it feels like a real car' etc etc. Although personally I fell like Forza is more 'arcadey' I rekon it does a very good job of this, but it's not as if Gran Turismo isn't the real deal.

Here's a video you should watch showing how realistic GT5 is. It's a video from Prologue but it does a good demonstration of how accurate things are in GT. This carries through to all cars, not just the F1 car. I hope Turn 10 have learnt their lesson.

i say 1 thing Maclaren F1 Simulator - Turn 10 is the only developer that had a chance to work with it during Forza 3 development and used many of its assets in Forza 3. night and weather effects you can add as DLC just like in Burnout Paradise. ISR called Forza 3 first console racing sim that is on par with pc sims. and sorry, but Gran Turismo series is as realistic as PGR and Grid - GT is arcade simulator unlike Forza series. so yeah Forza 3 IS definitive racing simulator this gen since Simbin won't be doing Race Pro 2.



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twingo said:
Munkeh111 said:
There is only one thing on there that really matters, the Top Gear test track

And anyway, there are still many unknowns with Gran Turismo, such as the damage and more

Man if Gt5 has the fxx Shumis time on the top gear track is so going down!!!

 

Gt5 will have REAL damage not that ricer bs Forza has.

Yeah like you have played it!  I hate you GT elitests.  Grow up.

How about you wait until both games are out before you start talking shit like that, which you obviously have no clue in the slightest what you are talking about.  I guess its true what they say...ignorance is bliss.



waron said:
Taz! said:

Before I start I'd just like to say that I loved Forza 2 and that Forza 3 is going to be great. I'd also like to say that Turn 10 and Microsoft have brought this on themselves with their big mouths. You can't go making ridiculous claims without having substance to back it up. I'l do a simple list to show how from a standpoint of features, Forza aint the one that's 'definitive.'

GT5 VS FORZA 3

More Cars vs Less Cars Forza3 1mln polygons per car in Forza 3 vs 200k polygons per car in GT5 and how do you know how many car GT5 will have? not to mention if you we all know that PD is duplicating all their cars many times over and over and over with different paintjobs. Forza 3 have 400 ORIGINAL cars how many ORIGINAL cars GT5 will have?More than 400 anyway

More Tracks vs Less Tracks how do you know that there will be more tracks in GT5? Forza 3 will have 100 tracks on day one.GT has always had more tracks, this will be no different.

1080p vs 720p real 720p in Forza 3 vs fake 1080p in GT5Watever, fact is that it has a higher resolution.

60fps vs 60fps

World Rally vs No Rally 24h Le Mans VS No 24h Le Mans I can just race round the Le Mans circuit in GT5 in an unlimited race or time trial. Also, Forza 3 will have a 24 hour Le Mans race all in daylight, so that isn't exactly great.

Weather System vs No Weather System was it confirmed by PD? no. Im nearly sure it was confirmed, I'l have to check. Many GT games have had this before though, so this seems a cert.

Night Racing vs No night racing was it confirmed by PD? no.See above, and PD are hardly going to show night racing in that in-game trailer if its not in the game.....

Top Gear Test Track vs No Top Gear Test Track (This is important to some UK folks) ugh again, you want me to list all the tracks that won't be in GT5 and will be in Forza 3? You're obviously not a top gear fan then. This means alot.

Nascar (although prolly only 16 cars) vs No Nascar again, 24h Le Mans VS No 24h Le MansUsing the same lame point twice is fail.

Can be used with alot of steering wheels vs Can be used with a few steering wheels what kind of argument is this?A major and valid one. Forza has terrible steering wheel support compared to GT.

16 cars on track vs 8 cars on track ugh, 8 cars with rollover with awesome AI and with the best physics you can get on the consoles vs 16 cars with bad AI and psx physicsOk, GT5p AI was pretty poor but it's new physics engine worked a gem and they will be improved fot GT5. So, 16 is better.....obviously.

Little car exterior customization vs Full exterior customization still no confirmation by PDIts confirmed that you can change the colour of your car in GT5, and that is a form of exterior customization. There will be more too.

Almost CGI graphics (the trailer was 'real') vs Amazing graphics again have you seen GT5 gameplay? noThe trailer was in-game replays, so you know what to expect.

No/Little tyre deformation vs Tyre deformation which means it's not a racing sim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap1nna2xibYSays who? Youtube? Lol

Probably little damage vs Full Damage and Car rolls

..........Doesn't look all that 'definitive' to me.

And, then people who think they are experts will say...'but Forza handles more realistically, it feels like a real car' etc etc. Although personally I fell like Forza is more 'arcadey' I rekon it does a very good job of this, but it's not as if Gran Turismo isn't the real deal.

Here's a video you should watch showing how realistic GT5 is. It's a video from Prologue but it does a good demonstration of how accurate things are in GT. This carries through to all cars, not just the F1 car. I hope Turn 10 have learnt their lesson.

i say 1 thing Maclaren F1 Simulator - Turn 10 is the only developer that had a chance to work with it during Forza 3 development and used many of its assets in Forza 3. night and weather effects you can add as DLC just like in Burnout Paradise. ISR called Forza 3 first console racing sim that is on par with pc sims. and sorry, but Gran Turismo series is as realistic as PGR and Grid - GT is arcade simulator unlike Forza series. so yeah Forza 3 IS definitive racing simulator this gen since Simbin won't be doing Race Pro 2.

Oh, and calling GT an arcade sim and Forza not is....well.....flat out lying. Did you watch the damn video I posted. If so you are basically saying that real life is all one big arcade.



there's so much fail in your response i don't know where to start, taz. but you're a sony fanboy so it was predictable.
1. how do you know there will be more than 400 cars? and no, 60 different versions of Skylines released between 2000 and 2002 doesn't count as different cars you know. i prefer less cars but, different models with full damage, rollovers, exterior, inferior and mechanical tunning and customisation than more cars that are pretty much copies of each other with little or no damage, no rollovers, no tunning etc. and no, changing colours of the cars is not customisation dude. again how do you know there will be more tracks? Forza 3 will have 100 let's wait and see how many GT will have.

2. Rally in GT is not a real rally races either so? those are only offroad tracks. same goes to nascar in GT5. nascar without 43 cars on circuit is not a nascar race.

3. Turn10 can add night races and weather effects as dlc later in the game.

4. lol about a Top Gear statement - dude, you're just pathetic. it just a track.

5. so Forza have terrible wheel support cause it support like 3 racing wheels less than ps3? Forza 3 have fanatecs wheels support that were build from the ground for this game, beat that. not to mention 360 support many wheels from every price point so everyone can buy a good racing wheel for reasonable price.

6. Forza 3 was prised as a first real racing sim on the consoles by almost everyone related to racing sim scene and uses Maclaren F1 Simulator assets(physics, handling whole tyre deformation part were taken almost straight from that simulator) - only F1 drivers are using that simulator as a training gear - it means a lot.

7. GT being arcade is lying? one thing boy, play pc racing sim so you will know the difference between real racing sim and arcadesim like PGR or GT series.



Just a question, is it possible to hold off on arguing which game is better until they are both released? It's kinda pointless arguing about it now, you see.



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