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gergroy on 13 July 2009
Steroid said:
The turnaround comes then Sony closes the gap and MS decides they want to make a new console and kill of the 360 while Sony chills with the PS3 for a few more years. MS lovers will never admit defeat and they say they no longer care about the 360 they have moved on to nextbox.

you really see the ps3 lasting a few more years than the 360?  You know the 360 is on the 10 year lifecycle plan as well right?



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atma998 on 13 July 2009
gergroy said:
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kowenicki said:
very selective stat you chose there....

YOY YTD 2009 v 2008

market share

Wii down 5.62%
PS3 down 2.5%
360 up 8.12%

but no... I dont see any major turnarounds as it happens.


What's wrong with you? Those numbers are anything but real. Wii never had 54,3% (48,7%+5,62%) of markest share... Please don't post BS.


lol, those are year on year numbers not lifetime numbers.  haha, they are perfectly legit.


Helllooooo? We are talking about market share here.


hmmm, so you can't gauge marketshare on a yearly basis?  thats odd.... could of sworn that was possible...

basically, wii sold X amount last year (X being the total number sold or marketshare for that year), but when you compare X to this years totals it is down 5.62%.  This means that there is a decline in the marketshare the wii enjoyed in last years sales by 5.62%.  Make sense?

A - Then why don't you replace you ''X amount'' by real numbers then?

B - This doesnt change the fact that Wii is gaining market share while X360 is losing market share (except for the big adjustment of last week)since the begining of the gen.

A - I think what Kowenicki was demonstrating was the sales trend for this year.  He has a thread somewhere that he has all the different numbers and everything you are looking for.

B - While I agree that wii is has more marketshare and continues to grow that difference, what Kowenicki is demonstrating here is that recent sales are showing that momentum eroding on the wii and increasing on the 360.  The numbers are there.  The only reason I started posting here was to get you to see what the numbers meant.  So, hopefully mission accomplished.

A- Why doesnt he just put real numbers instead of ''X amount'' BS then?

B- Yeah sure, ALL three consoles are slowing down their sales. The numbers are there. The Wii still continue to sell on par with the PS360 combined sales which means its market share is still growing. But like I said before, the more we are advanced in a gen, the harder it is to gain market share so it's normal that Wii's market share doesnt grow as quickly as in the past years. 

I did the X amount because I'm too lazy to look up kowenicki's thread that has all the numbers.  If you are concerned about them then you could look them up yourself or just use vgchartz sales data.

Yes, the wii marketshare is growing, just not as well as it was last year, while the xbox is selling better this year when compared to last years numbers, which is the point of what he was saying. 

So what? Does that mean there will be a MAJOR turnaround in favor of X360?



Bitmap Frogs on 13 July 2009
thismeintiel said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
Yeah, the whole "OMGZ THERES ONE HUNDRED MILLION PS2 OWNERS WAITING TO UPGRADE" was sort-of ok in 2007, laughable in 2008 and straight joke-account status in 2009.

Current gen has sold over 100 million consoles already. But reality will never sink in for some people.


Last time I checked there were more than 100 million in the entire world.  Hell that's less than in most countries.  To act like no one else will buy a console, or those that will buy one in the future will just stick with the trends is just insane.  And as many posts I have read about how someone will get a PS3 when a certain game comes out or when the price drops, change is definitely possible.  Now I'm not saying all will keep their word, but I am sure a lot will.  And considering I'm one of those who waited till 2008 to get a PS3, and do not own a 360, I can see first hand there are those like that. 

Saying that I do believe that Wii will stay in first.  They have way too many casual gamers to lose that.  But the fight for second is not over.  I personally see it being quite close near the end.  We still have 2-3 years to go in this gen, guys.  To call it now would just be arrogant, since a lot can change in 3 years.

 

But last gen sold how many, 170-190 million consoles? 

Are you implying this gen will sell six billion consoles? Get real. This gen is half over or on the verge of hitting it's half.

In your own words, there's two to three years to go. In order for the ps3 to close the gap it needs to outsell the 360 by as much as 250k-375k / month. And that's just to get on even ground. Every week that goes by where the 360 outsells the ps3 increases that figure. To give you an idea of what it means, the Wii (you know, the generation winner) is outselling the 360 by around 400k monthly. 

Right now for the ps3 to close the gap and tie with the 360 it needs to be as succesful as the Wii NOW. If the situation doesn't change for the following 3-4 months, the ps3 would need to become even more succesful than the Wii just to tie it with the 360.





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gergroy on 13 July 2009

@atma998
no, good lord, it's like you aren't even reading what I'm saying. The only thing that I was doing was helping you understand Kowenicki's post. I wasn't making any kind of statement.

Also, the only thing Kowenicki was saying is that he doesn't see any big turnaround. Does that make sense? or do I need to say the exact same thing again with different words for you to get it? because I'm getting kind of sick of saying the same thing over and over again.



madskillz on 13 July 2009
PearlJam said:
I'm not exactly a Wii fan, but I can easily admit that they already won this gen. They haven't even had a price cut yet, and it's selling about as much as the other 2 systems combined. People can't say that price is the only factor here either, GameCube was cheaper than either PS2 and Xbox and that didn't put them on top.

I don't really see PS3 overtaking 360 either, but it can close the gap if they do the right things. If Sony cuts the price, Microsoft will do the same. Microsoft is overall more financially secure than either Nintendo or Sony, so they can afford to do what needs to be done.

Most of the system sellers have already come out, on all their respective systems. A lot of the games that helped Sony secure other generations are now Multi-plats or on other systems entirely. Sony never had the strongest 1st party studios, they were always carried by 3rd parties. Without all the 3rd parties in their back pocket, this was bound to happen. Nintendo has always relied mostly on 1st party, and since those are the games that people are buying they are in a strong position.

The PlayStation brand isn't as strong as some people think, and even if it was that doesn't matter. In the 80's Nintendo was the only company that mattered, that didn't stop Sega from taking nearly half of their market share only a generation later.

GAME OVER.



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thismeintiel on 13 July 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:
thismeintiel said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
Yeah, the whole "OMGZ THERES ONE HUNDRED MILLION PS2 OWNERS WAITING TO UPGRADE" was sort-of ok in 2007, laughable in 2008 and straight joke-account status in 2009.

Current gen has sold over 100 million consoles already. But reality will never sink in for some people.


Last time I checked there were more than 100 million in the entire world.  Hell that's less than in most countries.  To act like no one else will buy a console, or those that will buy one in the future will just stick with the trends is just insane.  And as many posts I have read about how someone will get a PS3 when a certain game comes out or when the price drops, change is definitely possible.  Now I'm not saying all will keep their word, but I am sure a lot will.  And considering I'm one of those who waited till 2008 to get a PS3, and do not own a 360, I can see first hand there are those like that. 

Saying that I do believe that Wii will stay in first.  They have way too many casual gamers to lose that.  But the fight for second is not over.  I personally see it being quite close near the end.  We still have 2-3 years to go in this gen, guys.  To call it now would just be arrogant, since a lot can change in 3 years.

 

But last gen sold how many, 170-190 million consoles? 

Are you implying this gen will sell six billion consoles? Get real. This gen is half over or on the verge of hitting it's half.

In your own words, there's two to three years to go. In order for the ps3 to close the gap it needs to outsell the 360 by as much as 250k-375k / month. And that's just to get on even ground. Every week that goes by where the 360 outsells the ps3 increases that figure. To give you an idea of what it means, the Wii (you know, the generation winner) is outselling the 360 by around 400k monthly. 

Right now for the ps3 to close the gap and tie with the 360 it needs to be as succesful as the Wii NOW. If the situation doesn't change for the following 3-4 months, the ps3 would need to become even more succesful than the Wii just to tie it with the 360.

Of course consoles will never sell to everyone on earth.  That's too rediculous to even think about.  My point is there are a lot more possible buyers out there.  And do you actually think that this gen consoles will only reach what last gen's sold.  That's even more rediculous.  Gaming is growing.  Partly because of all the casual gamers starting to join in the fray.  Though, I'm not just going to give credit to the Wii for this, but it does deserve most.  But not only that, the population has grown since last gen as well, which means even more prospective buyers.  Not implying they all will get a video game system, but still. 

And everyone keeps bringing these numbers up like everything will stay the same.  The numbers you give, the 360 would have to continue to sell the same amount as it is now, until the end of the consoles lifetime.  I don't see that happening.  It will rise and it will fall, as they always do.  Now given that PS3 still has a few price drops to go, I think things can change.  You know the way things do.  Just like everyone thought Wii was going to be last because of the 2 previous gens.  However, it's on top.  Things change.  All the time. 

Now to all those who are like, "Well, MS will just drop their price, too."  I don't think so.  They already have it at $200, and it's already stripped down to nothing.  What else will they take out to drop it down to $100?  The price of a PS2.  The price the PS2 just dropped after its 9th year out.  Sorry but I think 360 is down with price cuts till at least a year or 2.



 

atma998 on 13 July 2009
gergroy said:
@atma998
no, good lord, it's like you aren't even reading what I'm saying. The only thing that I was doing was helping you understand Kowenicki's post. I wasn't making any kind of statement.

Also, the only thing Kowenicki was saying is that he doesn't see any big turnaround. Does that make sense? or do I need to say the exact same thing again with different words for you to get it? because I'm getting kind of sick of saying the same thing over and over again.


Kowenicki cannot answer himself?

BTW, he just came here to threw BS and you tried (or failed) to back that. I'm too kind of sick to keep saying the same things so once and for all : this thread is about a major turnaround in sales and market share. People like you or Kowenicki can try to make us believe X360 is closing the gap with the Wii, but REAL numbers shows us this isnt the case at all. His YoY numbers (even if real) didnt add anything to this discussion. Sorry.



gergroy on 14 July 2009
atma998 said:
gergroy said:
@atma998
no, good lord, it's like you aren't even reading what I'm saying. The only thing that I was doing was helping you understand Kowenicki's post. I wasn't making any kind of statement.

Also, the only thing Kowenicki was saying is that he doesn't see any big turnaround. Does that make sense? or do I need to say the exact same thing again with different words for you to get it? because I'm getting kind of sick of saying the same thing over and over again.


Kowenicki cannot answer himself?

BTW, he just came here to threw BS and you tried (or failed) to back that. I'm too kind of sick to keep saying the same things so once and for all : this thread is about a major turnaround in sales and market share. People like you or Kowenicki can try to make us believe X360 is closing the gap with the Wii, but REAL numbers shows us this isnt the case at all. His YoY numbers (even if real) didnt add anything to this discussion. Sorry.


wow, not even what we were trying to say, ugh. learn to read.



finalrpgfantasy on 14 July 2009

no.



Bitmap Frogs on 14 July 2009
thismeintiel said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

But last gen sold how many, 170-190 million consoles? 

Are you implying this gen will sell six billion consoles? Get real. This gen is half over or on the verge of hitting it's half.

In your own words, there's two to three years to go. In order for the ps3 to close the gap it needs to outsell the 360 by as much as 250k-375k / month. And that's just to get on even ground. Every week that goes by where the 360 outsells the ps3 increases that figure. To give you an idea of what it means, the Wii (you know, the generation winner) is outselling the 360 by around 400k monthly. 

Right now for the ps3 to close the gap and tie with the 360 it needs to be as succesful as the Wii NOW. If the situation doesn't change for the following 3-4 months, the ps3 would need to become even more succesful than the Wii just to tie it with the 360.

Of course consoles will never sell to everyone on earth.  That's too rediculous to even think about.  My point is there are a lot more possible buyers out there.  And do you actually think that this gen consoles will only reach what last gen's sold.  That's even more rediculous.  Gaming is growing.  Partly because of all the casual gamers starting to join in the fray.  Though, I'm not just going to give credit to the Wii for this, but it does deserve most.  But not only that, the population has grown since last gen as well, which means even more prospective buyers.  Not implying they all will get a video game system, but still. 

And everyone keeps bringing these numbers up like everything will stay the same.  The numbers you give, the 360 would have to continue to sell the same amount as it is now, until the end of the consoles lifetime.  I don't see that happening.  It will rise and it will fall, as they always do.  Now given that PS3 still has a few price drops to go, I think things can change.  You know the way things do.  Just like everyone thought Wii was going to be last because of the 2 previous gens.  However, it's on top.  Things change.  All the time. 

Now to all those who are like, "Well, MS will just drop their price, too."  I don't think so.  They already have it at $200, and it's already stripped down to nothing.  What else will they take out to drop it down to $100?  The price of a PS2.  The price the PS2 just dropped after its 9th year out.  Sorry but I think 360 is down with price cuts till at least a year or 2.

 

But according to, NPD I think it was, the average selling price of the 360 is 260$ which means the Pro makes the bulk of purchases. And the Pro is still 299$.

Anyways, it's obvious you are a hopeless case of OMFGZ SSSONY COMEBACK!!!! and nothing will change your mind. Heck, I'm sure once this gen is over if you are still lurking the forums you'll be one of the guys spamming massive damage control tirades once it's even more abundantly clear Sony won't get outta the hole they dug themselves.

So, have fun with the sales numbers because it's gonna be a few years of eternal hope and damage control for you.





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