Go ahead!

Taking a step back?

That's been PD's excuse all these years, looks like it will have to fly for Turn 10 too.  Come back smack talking when you:

1. Get a release date for GT5

2. Get confirmation that GT5 includes more features than FM3

3. Have actually played FM3 and realised what a GT fanboy you are that will blinker you from playing another great sim racer.

Just for the supposed car fanatics criticizing FM3, Alex Wurz, a driver with quite a bit of talent reckons the physics engine is the best available to the commercial market having played the game.  Given AW has driven on the McLaren simulator too I'd suggest his opinion holds more weight than all of you especially, given he has actually played the game unlike the rest of you haters.

I'm not a mod, I can't get him to stop posting.

But next time he won't be able to claim ignorance.

So selnor...preaching about car tuning and tire deformation is important, but talking about stage 1 vs stage 2 clutch, steering axis inclination......all that other stuff AE86 noted is not important? I don't get it. It's all things that need to be taken into consideration when trying to make the most realistic driving simulator. Just because you think the car tuning in Forza is top notch doesn't mean that the way each car shifts gears is not important

Why are you preaching to us about how they haven't played GT5? Have you played GT5, in order to properly bash it? Or because Forza is closer to release, GT automatically sucks? I haven't played FFXIII because it's so far from release, but I could tell you that was going to be better than Infinite Undiscovery before IU released.

Secondly, the mere fact that GT has 800 cars standard, and Forza has less than 400 standard (taking into consideration Arcade owners), and now the news that these other features aren't being implemented, how is it even arguable that Forza has more features than GT? I bet the only reason that GT is taking so long is because they're jamming full of extra features. You think the addition of NASCAR just coded itself into the game?

I see Forza as an analogy to the 360. You try your best to get a jump on the competition by releasing early (360 releasing a year early), but you end up falling on your ass (RRoD)

Who cares about Nightracing,and weather and rally? The customization is there isnt it?

Well, being you, that's sarcasm, but you know what I'm talking about

Damn you for robbing me of that mocking opportunity Rol.  I seem to recall it was BMaker11 I had a discussion with earlier this year on his belief that 360 sales in Japan would plummet to awful levels again (< 1500).  That prediction's not going so well for you anymore now is it BMaker11, you'll have to excuse me if I don't have much faith in your other predictions you make either. 

Also BMaker it's quite important when attempting to debate with someone you read their posts properly, had you done so then it would have been blatantly obvious to you I haven't  "bashed" GT5.  I've merely stated the blindingly obvious to any impartial person which is you fanboys are flinging judgement upon a game you haven't even played then portraying the virtues of another game you haven't seen any actual gameplay footage of as being better.  If you think that's reasonable grounds for the arguments in here then you're an idiot imo.

GT fanboys in the majority and a few true gaming fans who were looking forward to Lemans 24 hour races.