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do you know this all silly, none of us know exactly how much sony is losing, for all we know they could be losing $50 or just $1 per PS3 sold, either way there losing so the above statements about losing money mean nothing as their is not substance to that statement, right now as it stands it just an empty comment and yet here we are fighting......wooooo VG forums FTW!!!



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MAFKKA said:
Those days of hardware headaches are a thing of the past says Microsoft exec Aaron Greenberg. "We've improved that [repair] process," he told game Edge.

What process? Nevermind the "repair". Is he saying that they've improved the process of past hardware headaches?

Not quite the same but still the same. Didnt have time to find a better one, need sleep.

 

Those are brackets.  Greenberg used some other word and the reporter substituted "repair" for it, either because he accidentally used the wrong word, or because the reporter thought "repair" made more sense or would make it easier for the audience to understand what Greenberg was saying.



We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process. - SCEI president Kaz Hirai

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games. - Activision CEO Bobby Kotick

 

sinha said:

 

It's the reporter adding a word that s/he thinks will clarify what Stringer is saying, but doing so carelessly and actually making it far more confusing than it would have been if s/he had left it out entirely and just reproduced the quote exactly as Stringer said it.

Xxain said:
dont journalist add things in to make things clearer or to get a better understanding of the meaning...like so?

Correct, however in this case the reporter screwed up because adding the word changed the meaning of the exact quote.  We have two things here, Stringer's direct quote, and the reporter's interpretation, which changes the meaning of that quote. 

I'll go with Stringers exact words over some reporter's interpretation of what it means, considering one is the CEO of Sony and the other is a reporter for Reuters.

 

 

So, do you then disregard everything else written in the article that isn't a direct quote from Stringer?



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^ thats what im thinking...he has no proof thats says that was a mistake vs clarity



ithis said:



So you do agree that this is a common practice in journalism, yet conveniently, in this care, you will choose to say that the journalist made an error. 

How logic and unbiased of you.

It's absolutely unbiased.  We have Stringer's exact words (would was just added, it didn't replace anything) quoted.  And we have a word added by a reporter who is attempting to interpret what Stringer said.  Basically Stringer said the PS3 is losing money and the reporter interpreted Stringer's comment as meaning the PS3 would lose money if there was a price drop.  Just because something is a common practice doesn't mean it doesn't sometimes lead to a journalist changing the meaning of a quote by misinterpreting it.

 

ramuji said:

So, do you then disregard everything else written in the article that isn't a direct quote from Stringer?

That's not what I'm doing at all.  I'm giving more weight to an exact quote from the CEO of Sony regarding their PS3 business, over some random reporter's interpretation of what that quote means.  What a silly straw man argument.  Just because the reporter said Stringer arrived in Idaho on Tuesday and that's not a quote from some witness/source doesn't mean I disregard it.  I assume it's true barring any evidence to the contrary from someone who has more expertise on the matter.  If there was a direct quote from Stringer's personal travel secretary that he actually arrived on Monday, I would place more weight on that.  If some random person said Stringer arrived on Monday, I would assume they were wrong and the reporter was correct.  Here it's a direct quote from the CEO of Sony and one journalist's interpretation of that quote, that's an easy choice.

 



We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process. - SCEI president Kaz Hirai

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games. - Activision CEO Bobby Kotick

 

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It is possible that "I lose money on every Playstation I make" could be in future tense. It would depend on the tone of the response. However, it is hard for me to convey a vocal tone via internet text to show what I mean, haha. Maybe the writer felt the tone of Stringer's response implied a future tense

To put what I mean into a question...


Question: "why not cut the PS3 price"

Answer: "I lose money on every Playstation I make"

 

...which could imply the result will cause a loss of money. However, without the actual audio of Stringer's response or the exact question that was asked, it is harder to know for sure. But the fact remains, the author wouldn't put "would" unless he felt it was warranted.



sinha said:

ramuji said:

So, do you then disregard everything else written in the article that isn't a direct quote from Stringer?

That's not what I'm doing at all.  I'm giving more weight to an exact quote from the CEO of Sony regarding their PS3 business, over some random reporter's interpretation of what that quote means.  What a silly straw man argument.  Just because the reporter said Stringer arrived in Idaho on Tuesday and that's not a quote from some witness/source doesn't mean I disregard it.  I assume it's true barring any evidence to the contrary from someone who has more expertise on the matter.  If there was a direct quote from Stringer's personal travel secretary that he actually arrived on Monday, I would place more weight on that.  If some random person said Stringer arrived on Monday, I would assume they were wrong and the reporter was correct.  Here it's a direct quote from the CEO of Sony and one journalist's interpretation of that quote, that's an easy choice.

 

I was about to respond to this, but it seems kind of silly at this point.

Instead, I'm attempting to get in touch with Mr. Oreskovic (the reporter) via Reuters to get some clarification on why (would) was added to the quotation. I'm not too hopeful about getting a response, but it's better than simply going around and around on the issue in this thread.  :) 



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Sony Still Takes 10% Hit on PS3 Systems
May 15, 2009



We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process. - SCEI president Kaz Hirai

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games. - Activision CEO Bobby Kotick

 

sinha said:

Reuters: Sony CEO dismisses price cut chatter on PlayStation

SUN VALLEY, Idaho, July 7 - Sony Corp Chief Executive Howard Stringer brushed off concerns that the PlayStation 3 video game console is too expensive, and said the company is unlikely to sell parts of its business amid the recession.

Stringer, arriving at the Allen & Co conference in Sun Valley, Idaho, on Tuesday, described recent comments about PlayStation's price by Robert Kotick, the CEO of video game publisher Activision Blizzard Inc, as standard business tactics.

"He likes to make a lot of noise," Stringer said, when asked about the comments. "He's putting pressure on me and I'm putting pressure on him. That's the nature of business."

Last month, Kotick told the Times of London that Activision might cease developing games for the PlayStation if Sony did not cut the price of the console, which competes with Microsoft Corp's Xbox and Nintendo Co Ltd's Wii.

"When we look at 2010 and 2011, we might want to consider if we support the console," Kotick had said.

Asked about the logic of not cutting prices, Stringer said, "I (would) lose money on every PlayStation I make -- how's that for logic."

 

 

sorry but i dont get your argument when he says WOULD



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Legend11 said:
How much pressure could Sony really put on Activision?

They can't put any pressure on any dev. They are selling poorly, in last place. On top of that the PS3 costs the most to develop for with the least return. And analysts are predicting attach rates for PS3 to drop. Hate to say it, but the future looks bleak for PS3. Considering as well they cant drop the price because they will leak more money.