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Chris Hu said:

The easiest way to become rich in the US is to become a MD...

And I like it that way. If doctors in the US get paid more then anywhere else in the world, where do you think the best doctors in the world will go?



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Khuutra said:
Kasz216 said:
Khuutra said:

That is a very interesting statistic! It's kind of bizarre. I wonder how it compares to other major US cities.

Yeah... if anything it would seem to suggest that Americans are OVER treated.  Or Canadians undertreated. 

I know they have a severe shortage of specialists... espiecally cranal trauma specialists.

What's ironic about canadain doctors coming here is that most American doctors would perfer a system with one process.  Not nessisairly government run healthcare.  The AMA is against that....

But if you made it so that all insurance companys were forced to use the same methods.  Like say the way medicaid is run.  They'd be willing to be paid less.

Also one reason the US ranks so low in the WHO rankings is... the percentage of money you pay towards medical bills based on your home income is actually a big detirment.  So the more socialized the system... the higher you rank.

That and the not taking health into consideration thing.

Overtreated probably isn't the word - overscanned, maybe.

Still, it owuld be interesting to get some statistics on that - the number of machines in different major cities, average usage per year, so on and so forth.

Interesting story: my dentist (first time I'd seen him in about five years) asked me if dental care was socialized in Canada. Apparently he was worried about it happening here in the States! In point of fact, every single doctor I've spoken to in the last while has been very concerned about it. My sister's boyfriend's father is actually a brain surgeon who is worried about it... Some of them have tried to warn my brother away from going into medicine because they're afraid Obama is goign to turn us all into communists.

The real question is when you need an MRI, it's far better to get at that moment, then wait three weeks.

I am sure the MRI's in the US are not used as often as the ones in Canada, but that's not the point, the point is when you need one, you need one.

We pay a lot more for them. I saw the statistic once. I forget the multiplayer (not sure if it was every 1000 people, 10,000 people, or what), but the ratio of the graph was 6 people per MRI in the US, vs 23 people per MRI in Canada.

Like I said, not sure if that's 600 people, 6,000 people, or 60,000 people, but the ratio is what matters.



TheRealMafoo said:

The real question is when you need an MRI, it's far better to get at that moment, then wait three weeks.

I am sure the MRI's in the US are not used as often as the ones in Canada, but that's not the point, the point is when you need one, you need one.

We pay a lot more for them. I saw the statistic once. I forget the multiplayer (not sure if it was every 1000 people, 10,000 people, or what), but the ratio of the graph was 6 people per MRI in the US, vs 23 people per MRI in Canada.

Like I said, not sure if that's 600 people, 6,000 people, or 60,000 people, but the ratio is what matters.

I meant comparing the statistics between major US cities. I have a feeling that that statistic isn't typical of the rest of the country.



famousringo said:
TheRealMafoo said:

funny, I just checked CNN to see what's new, and this is on there political home page.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/06/canadian.health.care.system/index.html

 

That was a good, balanced article.

The Canadian system is no panacea. Like all systems, it fails some people.

One of the biggest challenges of our system is that we end up competing for specialized medical labour with American hospitals which are willing to pay far more for it. A shortage of that highly skilled labour is probably the main cause behind that woman's waiting list.

And the can gets kicked down the road. My health region recently poached a bunch of nurses from the Philippenes. I doubt they're up to their eyeballs in skilled nurses over there.

I'd really like to see some serious investment in training and attracting more medical staff on the part of our government. I think it would be money very well spent. I'm sure our overworked doctors and nurses would agree.

What's funny is I know a few of out of work nurses over here... guess I should tell them to move to Canada or possibly the phillipines?

 



Khuutra said:
TheRealMafoo said:

The real question is when you need an MRI, it's far better to get at that moment, then wait three weeks.

I am sure the MRI's in the US are not used as often as the ones in Canada, but that's not the point, the point is when you need one, you need one.

We pay a lot more for them. I saw the statistic once. I forget the multiplayer (not sure if it was every 1000 people, 10,000 people, or what), but the ratio of the graph was 6 pe ople per MRI in the US, vs 23 people per MRI in Canada.

Like I said, not sure if that's 600 people, 6,000 people, or 60,000 people, but the ratio is what matters.

I meant comparing the statistics between major US cities. I have a feeling that that statistic isn't typical of the rest of the country.

I got the number backwards.

In Canada, there are 6.2 MRI's per million people. In the US, there are 26.5 per million people.

http://www.healthsystemfacts.com/Client/OHA/HSF_LP4W_LND_WebStation.nsf/page/Number+of+MRI+machines+per+million+people+select+countries+2006+large

 



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TheRealMafoo said:
Chris Hu said:

The easiest way to become rich in the US is to become a MD...

And I like it that way. If doctors in the US get paid more then anywhere else in the world, where do you think the best doctors in the world will go?

Sure if you believe that overpaying for everything makes it automatically better but that's flawed logic in my book.  Also with that logic I'm pretty sure anyone in sales loves doing business with you.



Chris Hu said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Chris Hu said:

The easiest way to become rich in the US is to become a MD...

And I like it that way. If doctors in the US get paid more then anywhere else in the world, where do you think the best doctors in the world will go?

Sure if you believe that overpaying for everything makes it automatically better but that's flawed logic in my book.  Also with that logic I'm pretty sure anyone in sales loves doing business with you.

Your right. The best football payers don't play in the NFL. The best Tennis players don't play on the ATP.

I mean, money never brings in the best.

Come on, if I was a hospital, and paying 400K a year for a doctor, I want the best, and the best want to work for me. That's how life works in the real world.



TheRealMafoo said:
Chris Hu said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Chris Hu said:

The easiest way to become rich in the US is to become a MD...

And I like it that way. If doctors in the US get paid more then anywhere else in the world, where do you think the best doctors in the world will go?

Sure if you believe that overpaying for everything makes it automatically better but that's flawed logic in my book.  Also with that logic I'm pretty sure anyone in sales loves doing business with you.

Your right. The best football payers don't play in the NFL. The best Tennis players don't play on the ATP.

I mean, money never brings in the best.

Come on, if I was a hospital, and paying 400K a year for a doctor, I want the best, and the best want to work for me. That's how life works in the real world.

They say that  a sucker is born every minute I'm guessing you are that sucker.  By the way their a few lemons that I would like to sell to you since money is never a concern in your book.



Chris Hu said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Chris Hu said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Chris Hu said:

The easiest way to become rich in the US is to become a MD...

And I like it that way. If doctors in the US get paid more then anywhere else in the world, where do you think the best doctors in the world will go?

Sure if you believe that overpaying for everything makes it automatically better but that's flawed logic in my book.  Also with that logic I'm pretty sure anyone in sales loves doing business with you.

Your right. The best football payers don't play in the NFL. The best Tennis players don't play on the ATP.

I mean, money never brings in the best.

Come on, if I was a hospital, and paying 400K a year for a doctor, I want the best, and the best want to work for me. That's how life works in the real world.

They say that  a sucker is born every minute I'm guessing you are that sucker.  By the way their a few lemons that I would like to sell to you since money is never a concern in your book.

Once again an attack, when he was speaking with logic. Why is he a sucker, because he doesn't agree with you? You must be one of those people who wants to hand out ribbons for last place in a competition, because it would be too cruel to ask someone to aspire to greatness. If everyone gets the same regardless of input, where is the inspiration to work harder?



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