@Lord : because that was the situation during most of their life time (2 years), when both consoles price were the closest. And even then the 360 was still cheaper.

Was it?

The last year it has been behind and the first year the ps3 didn't do too well.
The sales gap has increased and as far as I remember it was MGS4 and the price cut (which sony fans hate) that finally had it outselling the 360 weekly.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't believe that during the PS3's time on the market it has had more weeks outselling the 360 than the 360 has had outselling the PS3.

Not true, since the launch of the PS3 the 360 has sold more:

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Nov 2006 to 04th Jul 2009:

In the months before the september price cut, PS3 was outselling 360 every week. Fact.

Just check in VG numbers.

@ Tony_Parker

That's only a short amount of time compared to their entire lifetimes. I realize the PS3 was selling more over that time frame, but you'd previously said "during most of their life time (2 years)," which clearly is not true.

If the Xbox had been a 120+ million selling console you can bet the 360 would have a bigger installed base right now. That's part of the reason why I think the 360 is overachieving and the PS3 is underachieving. It doesn't make sense to me to exclude the performance of the PS2 since I'm sure we can all agree that it gave the PS3 an advantage out of the gate (does anyone really think if the consoles were switched, Xbox 360 at $599 with Blu-Ray, etc, that it would have sold like the PS3 even if it had the exact same lineup?).

I was talking about the total time since the PS3 has been released.
I can pick and choose what timeframe I want to be true as well.
For instance the 360 is the number one selling console this gen FACT.

If I fail to mention that I'm talking only up to the first month after the Wii had gone on sale it doesn't change stop it being a fact but doesn't mean it's true overall.

But you stated the timeframe.
"because that was the situation during most of their life time (2 years)," and you're still wrong (though I'm willing to be correct as long as you provide facts)

I don't even know what to say about this thread except WOW, and FUD FTW!!

@xbox fans All you talk about is gap this, gap that, 360 doing better than the first Xbox, yadda-yadda... Tired all whining songs to deviate from the fact the cheapest console in the market is barely outperforming its previous year (someone around here posted 23% up?) and all you want is to compare it to the PS3 which is down YOY by around 20%...that's alright, but the PS3 is not the one selling at $200 and hasn't had a price-cut since almost 2 years.

As your own "Gap chart" shows, the gap was plummeting down during all of 2008. Then the 360 got a price-cut and in a matter of 3 months it outsold the PS3 by more than 2 million units (X-mas time). And one guy around here posted the 360 is not in mass market price 'cause it's just the Arcade selling for that (the least desirable version, as he called it) , LMFAO. You people make the most convenient spins for everything, now you're saying the $200 Arcade has barely anything to do with Microsoft turn-around, when in fact it sold like crazy last X-mas (and I didn't bother taking that into account for my analysis, and I just kept going with the Arcade sales representing 30% of all sales for that period -it's obviously more profitable for MS to sell more Pro units at $300- ).

The whole point of the thread is to show how the Xbox 360 is underacheiving for a $200 priced product, and how the price-cut effect was short-lived and Microsoft hasn't capitalized on it beyond a X-mas saving last resort. 8 million, 9 million gap, even with 1 whole year advantage (and 1.5 year for EU), selling always 50% and 33% cheaper, for that THE GAP SHOULD BE 15 MILLION+ RIGHT NOW! If that gap chart shows anything, is that Sony will do the same they did in 2008 as soon as they cut the price this year. Microsoft has cut the price twice (2007, and 2008) and they haven't buried the PS3. Oh, but you say Microsoft can counter with a price cut of their own this year. $250 and $150 this year, really? Let's go crazy and say they do. The PS3 was eating up the gap in 2008 priced a $400/$500 vs the 360 priced at $280/$350/$450. Who's to say they can't do a lot better priced $300 versus a $250 X360 Pro? Everybody knows the entry model PS3 offers more value (see: features) than any Pro model MS has offered (always larger HDD, video/audio/data connectivity, blu-ray and free online) that's a fact and I won't go into discussion about it. Oh, but how about a $150 arcade this year? yeah, and the Wii is fad...seriously, you think companies do business like fanboys do war in these forums? a $150 Arcade won't happen this year, and if it does for the sake of Microsoft I hope they destroy the PS3 this X-mas, because if they don't they would've dug themselves into a hole next to the old Xbox.

@the
The 360 is not underachieving for it's price tag.
It's outselling it's nearest rival. It doesn't matter what their price tag is as MS have no say in that or get any of its profits. All MS have to worry about is how their product is selling, do they make a profit on each one sold, and how well the software for it's system is selling.

1, Their product is up on last years sales which made them a profit so more profit this year.
2, They are making money on each console sold so thats ok.
3, The software is selling extremely well so it looks like they are ok.

Now can Sony say the same.
Are they making a profit on each console sold?
Did they make a profit last year?
Are they selling more than last year?
How is the software selling?

Can you answer them honestly?

You seem so concerned about its price and how it should be doing so much better but why?
It doesn't matter what the gap is and whether its 8 or 15 million because the 360 is on the right end of that scale. You should be concerned where the PS3 is.
You're obsessed with the price but why?
All you're doing is trying to make the 360 look bad by twisting and spinning and making up reasons why it's doing bad.
Maybe you're getting damage control ready for the pspGo?

It didn't sell because the price, the price!

or by claiming the 360 should be doing better for it's price you can then use the PS3 price tag as a reason why it's not doing as well as you think it should?

It has a good price and is selling what it is. Instead of worrying about a console you don't own worry about the console you do and it's price. Come up with valid reasons as to why you think the 360 is doing poorly instead of trying to make them up.