@ Luvto - you are correct. Still, I had to add that for context. The fact of the matter is: The 360 is cheaper than the PS3. Folks who are insecure like to say 'To get the PS3 experience on a 360, you'll have to pay MORE!' Guess what? If you want a PS3, get a PS3. I bought a 360 for the ... gasp ... 360 experience. When I buy a car, I like having options. I want leather - but it's not necessary to operate the vehicle. I wouldn't mind getting the SS upgrade for the engine - but it's not necessary for the engine.

The OP wanted to start trouble. The only people you see making this kind of stuff are insecure fanboys who are trying their best to say 'Folks, before you make a mistake, here's some info - you are going to pay MORE for an Xbox 360! Buy a PS3' and it's only backfiring on them.

If you want more followers, quit shoving info, data, propaganda down people's throats. You will lose much more than you gain. Just ask missionaries - they've been recruiting folks since the birth of Christ.

B...bu...but....you HAVE to count the PS3 repair cost because the 360 fails over 30% of the time. It's unfair that the PS3 fails less than 1% of the time, so you have to include its' repair costs in order to make it equal to the 360. /sarcasm

And everyone shit talking wireless. I *only* use wireless (whether for internet browsing or for gaming) and I have NEVER had a problem. So all this talk about it being a "POS" or not being able to "stream from the next room" is complete and utter BS.

And I saw somewhere on here with the Arcade being used instead of the Pro, and then saying they have wifi and LIVE. You need an HDD for LIVE, so unless you factor that in, your point about the cost is invalid. And if eBay is going to be brought into discussion, then:

http://catalog.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3_98013?_fifpts=1&_pcatid=22&_pid=71241357&_refkw=playstation+3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m271

But of course, we're talking about RETAIL

You do know that a memory card is fine right?Something that is free for all arcades.And noww they are adding 512mb internal hard drive in arcade

I agree! Ive argued with so many peeps about this. I guess they just suck at math and lack all reasoning. Live = $50 a year, and for like 6 years! And if you want to upgrade the HardDrive? On a PS3 a 320 or 500 possibly even 1TB SATA can be put in there for less than a $100. Its also REGION FREE at 720P. PSN is free. People may not agree on the PS3 being cheaper, but no one can deny it has the most bang for the buck.

I agree! Ive argued with so many peeps about this. I guess they just suck at math and lack all reasoning. Live = $50 a year, and for like 6 years! And if you want to upgrade the HardDrive? On a PS3 a 320 or 500 possibly even 1TB SATA can be put in there for less than a $100. Its also REGION FREE at 720P. PSN is free. People may not agree on the PS3 being cheaper, but no one can deny it has the most bang for the buck.

Ok, talk about retail - and guess what? Gamestop offers the wifi adaptor for $69. You know how I know? I bought 2, got 1 free and flipped them AND got one of them free. The Arcade is here and guess what? It's the cheapest way to break into HD gaming. Whether you laugh it off or not, it's here and plays a vast majority of 360 games. For a person without LIVE access, it's perfect. As D21 stated, why have to be forced with options unnecessary for gaming? So what if it fails? You have a solid one-year warranty, plus 3 years if you get RROD.

And wireless is a luxury. The 360 has an ethernet port, so you can go online if you want to.

We can spend all day going back and forth, but go to your local Best Buy and see which system rings up for $213. I beat it won't be a PS3.

There is very little to argue here ... The XBox 360 is far cheaper to play videogames on but there is the possibility or choice that it could be more expensive than the PS3. If you just want to play single player videogames on either console without downloadable content (which is the primary use of the HD consoles today) the XBox 360 will cost you $199 or $299 and the PS3 will cost you $400 (plus the cost of an HDMI cable if you want HD).

Features like wireless internet, online multiplayer, streaming video, and downloadable content are all nice features but less than half of users use any of them so it is difficult to say that one system is "Cheaper" than another based on features most people don't use.

Well, it's a lie that Live costs $50, unless you are incapable somehow of looking at more than one place for a deal.  I got 14 months of Live for $28 at Amazon.  It's a lie that the $100 wireless adapter is necessary.  It's true that post-warranty repairs cost $139, but it is equally true that PS3 costs money to repair post-warranty as well.

I'm not saying that his point isn't somewhat valid, in that the low price point of Xbox is inflated to a degree by post-purchase costs, but some of the statistics and numbers he used to prove the point are questionable at best.

I'll just repost what blazinghead89 said:

Buying a house straight up or mortgage?

In terms of what the OP is saying, instead of extrapolating onto everyone, I say that post ends the thread for everyone chewing out the OP

Hey BMarker,

Can you cite that the current crop of 360's have a 30% fail rate? If not, I feel a ban may be coming on.