360 is already doing that. Are you saying just that week or are you saying every week its going to be 100k there in Europe? Can you be more speific when explaining your posts?

I'm not cocky cause the 360 is selling and beating the PS3. I'm saying will it beat the 360 every week when that game comes out? Thats what I'm trying to figure out. Where does football come into place. I thought you were talking about Killzone 2?

 that IS NOT TRUE Rath WTF is wrong with you? thats like saying halo 3 didnt sell a lot. 

Ratchet and Clank
Haze
Folklore
Jericho
Guitar Hero III
Eye of Judgment
Singstar
Uncharted
TimeShift
Rock Band

plus all the other multiplatform games. Theres tons of games and a good amount of them are AAA (bolded) 

Just curious how many PS3 hardware units will be sold that week when each of those games come out?

W29 said: your mother said: ultraslick said: your mother said: ultraslick said: I am posting this on my PS3 right now, which is nice because the Web browser easily zooms in, unlike a computer could with a normal PC input wire to my tv. Anyways, Wasn't UT3 originally scheduled for the same release date as Haze - that would have been frustrating for me, as I want to get both. Now I will get both since they are being released at seperate times. For all of you who say, "oooh ouch that hurts PS3 sales, this was the only game for PS3" than I can only assume that you are poor. As someone who owns both a PS3 anda 360, I will be getting Mass Effect, (360's remaining holiday lineup IMO) and Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Haze, Gran Turismo Prologue, (PS3's remaining holiday lineup IMO) and then the multiplatform games I want (Assassins Creed, NBA2K8, NFS:Pro Street, COD4). These involve making a decision for which system, which is always fun. "...the Web browser easily zooms in, unlike a computer could with a normal PC input wire to my tv..." Ever heard of Opera or the latest IE? Both feature full-page zoom. Good thing Sony was sensible enough to at least adopt this feature that has been a staple on PC browsers for years now. I guess that's also why Nintendo chose Opera for its browser because the Wii also easily zooms in and out of web pages. "For all of you who say, 'oooh ouch that hurts PS3 sales, this was the only game for PS3' than I can only assume that you are poor." What??? How is "hurting PS3 sales" and "this was the only game for the PS3" in any way at all remotely associated with poverty??? Sorry, that did seem vague. When a person says 'oooh ouch that hurts PS3 sales, this was the only game for PS3' - I think that is so ridiculous given the fact that there are alot of other games to play this holiday season for PS3 that whoever states such nonsense must have a bias against the PS3, and with all of these games coming out the only rationale for not likeing the PS3, is because they do not have the financial ability to buy one, thus they are poor. I think i realized that leaving it incredibly vague was better because of how trollish it sounds to actually spell it out. (also I realize that statement doesnt make alot of sense, because people are entitled to their opinion, and someone could not like the PS3 for reasons other than the Price, look at all of america)   For me, it's not about the money. I have been checking out the PS3 for a while, but just refuse to buy one at this point, partially because none of the games really appeal to me - yet. In fact, my ISP offered me a PS3 or a 27" LCD for an additional 1$ / month fee (yes, that's not a typo - a buck!) and I refused the PS3 (and the LCD as well, since I already have two at home and really don't need more). I was considering a 360 Elite, but its horrible reliability record has put me off. Plus, most of the games I'd be interested in playing on the 360 would either be on, or would eventually make its way to, the PC anyhow - Halo included. Instead, I will plonk down 250$ for a new HTPC case, plus 250$ for two DVB-S cards with CAM so I can finally record satellite TV on one channel while watching another. That, plus the ATI Radeon 2900 Pro can be bought for 270$, so I will buy two cards, crossfire them, and get ready for Crysis, Far Cry 2 and UT3. I also think the HTPC is the perfect compliment to my living room setup, which would make it computer number 8 I have at home (three notebooks, my main gaming rig, my secondary gaming rig, my home server, and my workstation). Oh, and you should see my electricity bill for keeping all but two notebooks running 24/7! That hardly sounds like an issue of poverty to me, and I think by saying people are poor because they don't buy your console of choice is in itself biased and trolling, but you are entitled to your opinion. I just don't feel that blanket statements have a place in rational discourse because like yourself said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but blanket statements take opinions and turn it into facts - albeit yours only.   Can you please give me a source saying the Xbox 360 Elite and I said Elite has bad reliability?

http://kotaku.com/gaming/wolf-in-sheep.s-clothes/hey-elites-crap-out-too-294451.php

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153089

http://forums.xbox.com/12410162/ShowPost.aspx 

Can you please give me a source saying the Xbox 360 Elite doesn't have bad reliability?

 Ratchet and Clank is the biggest game out of those by far and away the biggest title and the last one sold 2.2M worldwide according to this site, which while decent isn't blockbuster.

The rest of the titles you have listed are either unproven (Haze, Uncharted) or cross platform (Guitar Hero III, Rock Band) or small titles (Folklore, Eye of Judgment (how can you consider that AAA?)). The only exception to these is singstar which while it sells well is a bit of a Mario Party equivalent in that its extremely casual and in general hasnt review particularly well.

I dont know what Timeshift of Jericho are really.

To me that isnt breaking the game drought, one AAA title and a fairly minor one at that. 

@yourmother

1) Its in a plastic casing in a game store. Of course its going to overheat
2) Thats one person I heard so far that got a defect
3) Link doesnt work.

Only one source out of the 3 you provided worked. Try and find some more will ya.

And really I can't find in sources that says the Elites are the best, considering it has the extra heatsink, its doint its job and cooling the 360 GPU. I hear no complaints. Seeing how the Elites are way more reliable than the Premiums and Cores put together.

Here, try again: http://forums.xbox.com/12410162/ShowPost.aspx

The previous link also works, but the VGChartz RTF editor likes to add an extra space at the end of links.

1) It's not my problem it's in a plastic casing, now, is it? If I recall correctly, the PS3 has a similar casing, but doesn't crap out like the 360s do.

2) That's one person too many. Bottom line is, you don't hear of these reliability issues with Wiis or PS3s, so why should I have to put up with these issues with a 360? Sorry, no preferential treatment here - it's my money, and when I spend on electronics, I expect the machine to work as intended.

3) Link does work - try again.

I've done my bit. Howsabout you do yours? Surely if the 360 Elite is so reliable, there must be reports of people praising, "hey, it's been 15 minutes and sure enough, my Elite still works!"

"And really I can't find in sources that says the Elites are find. I hear no complaints. Seeing how the Elites are way more reliable than the Premiums and Cores put together."

I hear complaints. Three, in fact, listed above. Seeing how despite how Elites may be more reliable than the previous abominations borne by Microsoft, there is still no reason why I have to put up with any issues of reliability at all. Wii doesn't have reliability issues. PS3 doesn't have reliability issues. A crappy iPod knock-off made by sweatshop labor by an obscure OEM factory in China doesn't have reliability issues. Why then does a console made by one of the largest corporations that has ever graced the earth have reliability issues - and expect me to put up with it?

Fact is, Microsoft screwed up with the reliability of the console this time around, and perhaps the Elite is more reliable, but you know the old saying: You only have one shot at making a first impression - and Microsoft blew theirs clear out of the water.

Edit: Actually, since you seem to have taken the role of resident Xbox fan here at VGChartz, why don't you prove me otherwise? Show me how the Elite is so much more reliable, to the point where I don't have to worry about reliability past the industry-accepted 5% hardware failure rate, and guess what? I'll go and buy one right then and there - and will even post my Gamertag for you to see!

There - do you accept my Pepsi challenge?

Fact is, Microsoft is a software company not hardware.

Second, really I can care less about these comments from these fake posters out there on the internet. All they want to do is find ways to make the 360 to have a RRoD.

Your right about buying a 360 and seeing if its going to be reliable. I had my 360 Elite since the begining of August and I have no problems, plus I play my 360 for 2 hours max and turn it off. I just can't play video games all day. I have no problem with the 360 Elite bad reliability cause its satifisy me.

Anyway thanks for your posts on finding links to failures of 360 Elites. I hope you feel proud of yourself.

"Fact is, Microsoft is a software company not hardware."

So that's an excuse? Sounds more like, "what are they doing making hardware if they don't know how to?" Besides, your assessment about Microsoft being a software company is false, and testament to that are the plethora of keyboards, mice, trackballs, and so on.

Strange, for being a software company, they even have this link on their official website:

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/

"Second, really I can care less about these comments from these fake posters out there on the internet. All they want to do is find ways to make the 360 to have a RRoD."

You know, false or not, this is exactly what puts people off the 360. Had Microsoft properly designed the console in the first place, do you really think people would be posting "fake comments"? Furthermore, would it matter? No. Not with reliable hardware.

"Your right about buying a 360 and seeing if its going to be reliable. I had my 360 Elite since the begining of August and I have no problems, plus I play my 360 for 2 hours max and turn it off. I just can't play video games all day. I have no problem with the 360 Elite bad reliability cause its satifisy me."

I don't even bother to check whether or not any of my existing consoles are on all day, for weeks, or months, nor do I ever turn off my PCs - ever - for months on end, because I don't have to worry about the hardware heating up and conking out on me - not when the hardware is properly designed, of course!

"Anyway thanks for your posts on finding links to failures of 360 Elites. I hope you feel proud of yourself."

Ah, you're welcome. Just answering your initial question: "Can you please give me a source saying the Xbox 360 Elite and I said Elite has bad reliability?" I guess I've done that. Still waiting on you, though.

Edit: I realize now that I shouldn't have specifically mentioned the Elite as having horrible reliability issues when it's probably still too early to see results. However, the Xbox 360 as a brand does suffer from an image of being horribly unreliable. By extension, that means the Core / Arcade, Premium and the Elite, unless proven otherwise.

This brand image thing will linger on the collective consciousness and cause a negative impact on the 360's bottom line far more than you may care to think:

Once upon a time, there was a car company that did reasonably well in the US, and had a stellar track record of manufacturing quality, safe cars. That company was called Audi. What happened? From Wikipedia:

"This decline in sales was not helped in the USA by a 60 Minutes report which purported to show that Audi automobiles suffered from "unintended acceleration". The 60 Minutes report was based on customer reports of acceleration when the brake pedal was pushed. Independent investigators concluded that this was most likely due to a close placement of the accelerator and brake pedals (unlike American cars), and the inability, when not paying attention, to distinguish between the two. (In race cars, when manually downshifting under heavy braking, the accelerator has to be used in order to match revs properly, so both pedals have to be close to each other to be operated by the right foot at once, toes on the brake, heel on the accelerator; a driving technique called heel-and-toe). This did not become an issue in Europe, possibly due to more widespread experience among European drivers with manual transmissions.

60 Minutes ignored this fact and rigged a car to perform in an uncontrolled manner. The report immediately crushed Audi sales, and Audi renamed the affected model (The 5000 became the 100/200 in 1989, as it was elsewhere). Audi had contemplated withdrawing from the American market until sales began to recover in the mid-1990s. The turning point for Audi was the sale of the new A4 in 1996, and with the release of the A4/6/8 series, which was developed together with VW and other sister brands (so called "platforms")."

Again, you only have one chance to make a favorable first impression. Audi failed miserably after that 60 minutes report, and it took them roughly 10 years to shake off public perception that Audis, well, sucked.

I see a lot of parallels between this and the 360. Don't you?

@yourmother

You should be proud you won. Cool now lets move on and be civil and be a man.