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They also have Foxxcon making the new motherboards in the 40gb version. It's a new motherboard revision, so it's smaller, and most likely more efficient then the original ones that I believe were made by Asustek. Foxxcon of course is the company that makes the motherboards for the current PS2 slim.

Sure, the cost savings may not be astronomical at this point and time, but I don't think Sony would put themselves into a position to lose more then $100 on any of their consoles at this point in time.



 


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Andir said:
NJ5 said:

A PS3 is more or less out of the question for me now, since its exclusive games are either not attractive for me, or have good counterparts in the other consoles - the only one which could attract me is MGS4, but I'm not so interested in that series...

I'm not interested in Blu-Ray, since it's not definitive that it will win the format war, and I don't want to end up with a useless HD optical disc player. So if I buy a PS3, it will either be to play with the Cell (I'm a programmer), or when it's $300 at most, and with the condition that I'm interested in the Blu-Ray player. It's not likely that I will do so anyway.


Then why are you here? This is the Sony forum. I pretty much said the same thing about anything Microsoft, but you don't see me trolling the Microsoft forums telling everyone how I'm not going to buy their products.

Any mods reading this?


Diplomatic answer:

I was asked which console I want to buy, and I gave a honest answer which contains precisely zero bashing... Is there any rule saying that only people who have Sony consoles can post on the Sony forum?

Less diplomatic answer:

Don't be an idiot, and don't threaten me by using the word "mods" when I did nothing wrong.

 



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Lingyis said:
it makes sense. like i've been saying for about a month now. basically, sony's backed into a corner.

what i don't get is why so many sony fanboys (none in this thread), a month ago, actually thought a $399 40Gb PS3 would be bad. that was the one time i realized that fanboys ignore reason and logic, for real.

should be the first real contribution of Kaz. of course, it also makes it likely that kaz won't last more than a couple years; you can bet in his analysis and presentation to sony manageent that he was much more bullish with the sales potential of the PS3 than it really would be even with a $399 ps3, and there is no way it will reach the sales he projected. in other words, his division will continue to lose tons of money, if not even more now, and he'll be responsible for the financial hemmorrhage.

or maybe ps3 manufacturing prices really have come down $200 in the past year; even then they'll still be losing $200 on a $400 machine. sayanora Kaz, we hardly knew ya. oh, did i say it was a gamble? the downside is truly scary this time around. if it only increases sales to a 40,000/wk baseline, like with the $499 60Gb ps3, i'll have real concerns for SCE--they could be running out of ammunition and faith from upper management.

back to ps3 sales. will it have an impact? certainly not enough to pass 360 in the US; the 360, by now, is firmly established as the US gaming machine, and a $399 ps3 isn't gonna change that. and i think a $399 40Gb ps3 is exactly a 40,000 baseline US sales gaming machine with its current library of games.

this generation is shaping up EXACTLY the way nintendo has envisioned. Sony and Microsoft gets drawn out in a war of attrition, and while 6 months ago i thought both makers would survive to 8th gen, the likelihood one of them doesn't make it next gen has increased, in my mind.

now we'll find out how Microsoft pushes back. this battle between ps3 and 360 is gonna be so darn fascinating. neither side stands to win. Yep, there would have been no way nintendo could survive a fight between these 2 titans. Even if the Wii isn't selling as well as it is, say it's only selling the level of ps3 right now, it's still the right direction for Nintendo.

I saw this whole scenario coming years ago. Every fan comment saying "Nintendo's in a whole 'nother market than the other game systems", how Nintendo said they "weren't competing". I just sat back in shock at how people didn't even realize the weight of those words.

Of COURSE Nintendo is competing with Sony and Microsoft and of COURSE Nintendo's in the SAME market! There's a subtlety in language that went over the heads of most people watching this marketplace race. If they all share the same gamemakers where one gamemaker's decision affects the others they are naturally in the same market. By saying they weren't competing doesn't mean they are not in this fight, it's that their perspective on the fight is different than the others who are locked into this powermad pricedrop war. They're not fighting the same and their mind isn't focused on the fight. They are above the fight and that is their plan of attack. They've transcended the fight. The whole 'nother market is the market the others can't reach by the way their systems and identity are setup. Nintendo will take a portion of the market these two are fighting over as WELL as this wholly exclusive audience off-limits to the competition. Damn right, these guys are playing RIGHT into Nintendo's hands.

And about price drops...I don't know how this happens every generation but it looks like people are so quick to forget what happened in the generation before the current one. Price drops didn't save the Gamecube. Price drops without momentum won't make a lasting difference. PS3 is always one step behind because of the existence of the 360 with its headstart and role-usurpation of Sony's machine. With Halo 3 and Bioshock behind them the pressure has just been applied that much stronger to Sony.

In game-capital Japan neither of them matter as Nintendo has locked up that region for all intents and purposes winning the all-important Japanese developer support. In USA/Canada/Mexico Microsoft is strongest with Nintendo matching them and Sony is the odd man out. In Europe, Nintendo has gained considerable ground and Microsoft is building its influence in that complex market. Sony may have a upper hand in some regions of that market but even there the competition is comparable. In Australia/New Zealand same story with Microsoft with a little more oomph than in Europe. In all markets whatever's not run by the PC empire you see these scenarios.

Dropping price this quickly back to back is a horrible but necessary businessmove seeing how the PS3 was setup. But it reeks of desperation and may not pay off in the dividends they are hoping it will. If it had more big name games backing it up then it could do a little something but even this is not applicable right now. Too much stuff is getting pushed back. If this 2nd price drop fails to stimulate some sales strength, I hate to say it but you can hang it up for the PS3 this gen. Wii's about to shock the world within the next few months and 360 will grow its building power even further capturing developers because of their performance in certain markets.

Remember, Gamecube is $99 right now and it STILL can't move units here, in Japan, or anywhere else. It's became cheaper than all of the competition quickly and stayed that way but it didn't make a difference. PS2 is the other surviving 6th gen console but even at its USA $129 it still is making a difference on the hardware and software sales charts deep in the middle of the 7th gen here, in Japan, and everywhere else.

A lesson to be learned: Price drops aren't always necessarily saviors. Be careful.

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Very well written post johnlucas. It will be interesting to see how this impacts sales!



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I don't see how SONY could be anywhere CLOSE to break even on a $399 PS3. I have to figure they are still losing AT LEAST $100/console at that price... The reason I think this is that the cheapest stand-alone blue ray player is about $400 and I would be willing to bet that those are going out the door at cost or maybe even a little below. If you factor in all the free Blu-Ray disk movies they give away free, they are definitely losing money on the deal. Yeah, I know it doesn't cost much to included the disks themselves, but you can bet that the studio is getting some kind of money for letting their content out the door "for free". That would mean that the PS3, being a full blu-ray player, would have a cost of about $400 PLUS the cost of the cell, RSX, and other miscellaneous parts in the system... That's just my speculation, of course...

Somewhere I read that sony recently sold off an insurance division or something like that and netting a couple of billion dollars in the deal. Rumor was their plans were to use that money to subsidize the PS3 and get the price down... Maybe that wasn't rumor after all...



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NJ5 said:
Andir said:
NJ5 said:

A PS3 is more or less out of the question for me now, since its exclusive games are either not attractive for me, or have good counterparts in the other consoles - the only one which could attract me is MGS4, but I'm not so interested in that series...

I'm not interested in Blu-Ray, since it's not definitive that it will win the format war, and I don't want to end up with a useless HD optical disc player. So if I buy a PS3, it will either be to play with the Cell (I'm a programmer), or when it's $300 at most, and with the condition that I'm interested in the Blu-Ray player. It's not likely that I will do so anyway.


Then why are you here? This is the Sony forum. I pretty much said the same thing about anything Microsoft, but you don't see me trolling the Microsoft forums telling everyone how I'm not going to buy their products.

Any mods reading this?


Diplomatic answer:

I was asked which console I want to buy, and I gave a honest answer which contains precisely zero bashing... Is there any rule saying that only people who have Sony consoles can post on the Sony forum?

Less diplomatic answer:

Don't be an idiot, and don't threaten me by using the word "mods" when I did nothing wrong.

 

No, but what's the point of following or talking about a device you have no interest in buying?

I'm not being an idiot, and calling me such is being an idiot yourself.  It wasn't a threat.  I was pointing out how you have apparently no interest in the PS3, but I see you all over the Sony forum posting nothing but negative remarks on it.  I call that trolling, which is unacceptable in any forum.  I have no interest in the Wii or 360, but you don't see me spouting about how none of the games on the Wii or 360 interest me and I how I think Microsoft or Nintendo made bad moves by not including (or not including) ___ feature in the console.

 



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Well cool.  If it turns out the lack of backward compatibility rumor is fake, then this makes the PS3 much more appealing to me, at least until I'm sure the 360 is failure free.  If it's not backward compatible at all I of course wouldn't even consider it.  I'm in a pretty small apartment without much free space, and I need to be able to play my PS2 games.  For one thing I still play many of my PS2 games on a regular basis.  I love replaying DQVIII.  For another, I'm still buying a new PS2 game every couple months. 



naznatips said:
Well cool. If it turns out the lack of backward compatibility rumor is fake, then this makes the PS3 much more appealing to me, at least until I'm sure the 360 is failure free. If it's not backward compatible at all I of course wouldn't even consider it. I'm in a pretty small apartment without much free space, and I need to be able to play my PS2 games. For one thing I still play many of my PS2 games on a regular basis. I love replaying DQVIII. For another, I'm still buying a new PS2 game every couple months.

BC was also one of the main attractions of the ps3 for me. There were a lot of ps2 titles that I missed that I've been catching up on in the ps3 droughts. For example, I actually never played GoW 1&2 or MGS1/2/3 until this year. Boy, did I not know what I was missing!

Well, that's not entirely true. I had a demo of MGS1 back in the 90s (still do actually) that I loved, but I never got mgs1 at the time because I was broke. I then never got MGS2 having missed MGS1, then MGS3 because I missed MGS2. I finally caved when I found MGS3 for $9.99 at K-Mart back in December. Bought it, loved it, then bought MGS1/2 on ebay. Three of the best purchases I have ever made. :D



Naznatips, would you really even buy a PS3? You seem more like a person who buys into hype no matter what great games the other consoles have.



Yeah, the PS2 has a great library of games. My favorite games to replay are Dark Cloud 2, DQVIII, Okami, Odin Sphere, and the Ratchet games, but there are a bunch of others that I play pretty often as well. As you can see I like my RPGs hehe.