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epicurean on 30 June 2009
Munkeh111 said:
selnor said:
WereKitten said:
selnor said:

Are people here insane? It's not like I woke decided I know I'll pick some 360 exclusives put them up on VGChartz and say 360 graphics FTW.

They are bloody Multiplatform games. My disgust at the FF franchise is not something new and you should no this. Both FF13 and EOE ( or ROF ) are 3rd party and for both systems. LP2 is 3rd party and for both systems. Seriously I think some PS3 fans need to evaluate what they are squabbling over.

Yes I put my opinion on the OP. But I did not throw it out there to purposely pi** off Ps3 fans. I think that is easily seeable from the OP words.

Do well to read these to forums, which are actually far more balanced than VGChartz. Even fanboys of both sides respect multiplats superior graphics when it happens. Like I said VGChartz is in a bubble.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-lost-planet/50619#comments_top

http://gamersyde.com/news_7957_en.html

 

I don't like ad hominem attacks from any side, but of course I've told you several times that I think that you're too prone to hyperbole :)

Anyway, regarding your links, I don't think that they will be very poignant. After all, you're likely exchanging a prevalent opinion greatly based on console affiliation demographic for another.

But I can remind you that Uncharted 2 has been praised as best graphics of E3 - or even best graphics of any console game - by numerous critics.

A quite unbiased source such as Digital Foundry (nowadays hosted by Eurogamer) still regards KZ2 and Uncharted 1 as the current top dogs when it comes to visual prowess on consoles and ran in-depth series on them. They also made an annotated version of the Uncharted 2 trailer to point out its many wonderful details of animation, lighting, HDR, motion blur, and the many improvements over the first one.

On technical forums such as beyond3d there were discussions abouth the presentations made by Guerrilla about the KZ2 engine and its deferred rendering techniques for lighting and post effects.

This is not to say that technical discussion should dictate what you find more beautiful or impressive. Just that if you want to look for different and unbiased opinions, there's other ways than choosing an audience that more closely mirrors your personal stance.

It's not choosing an audience that mirrors my stance. I would never choose a tech place for a discussion on what looks prettier. Give 2 people 2 chocolate bars. One is a Mars bar and the other is a normal brand bar, but just like a Mars bar. If you dont tell him which is which, that person will likely choose either. This brings me to why I and many others can say what looks more impressive without knowing that KZ2 has 1 more polygon on the right shoe of the characters than say RE5 does.

You can go anywhere not just those 2 sites. Gamepsot, IGN, Youtube. Even the media. E3 awards I think Uncharted 2 only won 2 awards for graphics? IGN and 1 other. All I'm saying is people attacked in this thread for no reason. And I cant believe that PS3 fans get this way over a multiplatform title. As a 360 fan I'm chuffed it looks great and with 4 player split screen coop. Something which good looking PS3 exclusives lack is 4 player splitscreen coop. Even Uncharted 2 only has 2 player coop. IS it splitscreen or over netwrok?

I'm sure games like LP2 would look even better again if the engine could soley concentrate on just single screen.  And not have to accomodate split screen smoothly.

There is no reall point anymore on VGChartz speaking outside of your console of choice groups.

Firstly, Uncharted 2 has 3 player co-op, but I don't think it is local

Anyway, let's see how many graphics awards U2: AT won:

While game critics had no best graphics award, Uncharted 2 did get game of the show, no doubt due to its great graphics
1up, again, no best graphics award avaliable, but it won game of the show
Gametrailers, it won best graphics
Gamespot, it won best graphics
IGN, it won best graphics technology

Where else do you want to look?

Quoting because I really want to see his answer after stating the U2 only won 2 awards and LP2 cleaned up on best graphics...



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xcot on 30 June 2009

I still don't understand how they went from something nice like this



to...




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selnor on 30 June 2009
epicurean said:
Munkeh111 said:
selnor said:
WereKitten said:
selnor said:

Are people here insane? It's not like I woke decided I know I'll pick some 360 exclusives put them up on VGChartz and say 360 graphics FTW.

They are bloody Multiplatform games. My disgust at the FF franchise is not something new and you should no this. Both FF13 and EOE ( or ROF ) are 3rd party and for both systems. LP2 is 3rd party and for both systems. Seriously I think some PS3 fans need to evaluate what they are squabbling over.

Yes I put my opinion on the OP. But I did not throw it out there to purposely pi** off Ps3 fans. I think that is easily seeable from the OP words.

Do well to read these to forums, which are actually far more balanced than VGChartz. Even fanboys of both sides respect multiplats superior graphics when it happens. Like I said VGChartz is in a bubble.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-lost-planet/50619#comments_top

http://gamersyde.com/news_7957_en.html

 

I don't like ad hominem attacks from any side, but of course I've told you several times that I think that you're too prone to hyperbole :)

Anyway, regarding your links, I don't think that they will be very poignant. After all, you're likely exchanging a prevalent opinion greatly based on console affiliation demographic for another.

But I can remind you that Uncharted 2 has been praised as best graphics of E3 - or even best graphics of any console game - by numerous critics.

A quite unbiased source such as Digital Foundry (nowadays hosted by Eurogamer) still regards KZ2 and Uncharted 1 as the current top dogs when it comes to visual prowess on consoles and ran in-depth series on them. They also made an annotated version of the Uncharted 2 trailer to point out its many wonderful details of animation, lighting, HDR, motion blur, and the many improvements over the first one.

On technical forums such as beyond3d there were discussions abouth the presentations made by Guerrilla about the KZ2 engine and its deferred rendering techniques for lighting and post effects.

This is not to say that technical discussion should dictate what you find more beautiful or impressive. Just that if you want to look for different and unbiased opinions, there's other ways than choosing an audience that more closely mirrors your personal stance.

It's not choosing an audience that mirrors my stance. I would never choose a tech place for a discussion on what looks prettier. Give 2 people 2 chocolate bars. One is a Mars bar and the other is a normal brand bar, but just like a Mars bar. If you dont tell him which is which, that person will likely choose either. This brings me to why I and many others can say what looks more impressive without knowing that KZ2 has 1 more polygon on the right shoe of the characters than say RE5 does.

You can go anywhere not just those 2 sites. Gamepsot, IGN, Youtube. Even the media. E3 awards I think Uncharted 2 only won 2 awards for graphics? IGN and 1 other. All I'm saying is people attacked in this thread for no reason. And I cant believe that PS3 fans get this way over a multiplatform title. As a 360 fan I'm chuffed it looks great and with 4 player split screen coop. Something which good looking PS3 exclusives lack is 4 player splitscreen coop. Even Uncharted 2 only has 2 player coop. IS it splitscreen or over netwrok?

I'm sure games like LP2 would look even better again if the engine could soley concentrate on just single screen.  And not have to accomodate split screen smoothly.

There is no reall point anymore on VGChartz speaking outside of your console of choice groups.

Firstly, Uncharted 2 has 3 player co-op, but I don't think it is local

Anyway, let's see how many graphics awards U2: AT won:

While game critics had no best graphics award, Uncharted 2 did get game of the show, no doubt due to its great graphics
1up, again, no best graphics award avaliable, but it won game of the show
Gametrailers, it won best graphics
Gamespot, it won best graphics
IGN, it won best graphics technology

Where else do you want to look?

Quoting because I really want to see his answer after stating the U2 only won 2 awards and LP2 cleaned up on best graphics...

You want to see my answer. Ummmm he found 3 instead of the 2 I said? Is that better for you?

And if you ant me to point out that Splinter Cell Conviction and Mass Effect 2 won more awards across the field. In fact Mass Effect 2 is best video game as it won 4 game of the show awards.



WereKitten on 30 June 2009

@xcot
The urban level is brownish, indeed, but the older trailer with the jungle, the mechs and the lizard monster showed a much richer palette. I think this won't be a grey-and-brown game.



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xcot on 30 June 2009

Fair enough, but then what city is all grey and brown?

Have developers lost all inspiration? I dunno why people would like to just stare at grey environments left and right.
You're right though, i've already seen the jungle trailer but i still don't understand this crap.



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Kantor on 30 June 2009
selnor said:
Munkeh111 said:
@ selnor, I'm not just talking about graphics, but you just exaggerate everything. And those forums just seemed to be filled with people talking crap, nobody in that thread said anything about the car being the greatest looking thing ever or better than Uncharted 2


You mix exagerate with enthusiasum. Maybe some people have lost their love for games, but I see nothing wrong with getting excited for something I love.

As for those forums, they perfectly show my point. Here it's PS3 fan says " looks ok, water looks crap. detail is average, and the effects are ok."

Other forums you have regualr comments like. " Wheres my jaw gone, anyone seen my jaw? "

" Absolutely stunning "

" I'll put my dick away now, I'm finished "

And these comments come from PS3 fans also. You still get the odd idiot posting something like. PS3 looks better. Or something.

But it shows that for some reason PS3 fans on VGChartz just cant accept anything other than exclusives. Whereas the average PS3 fan can.

Or maybe we just have different taste in graphics?

Honestly, I even said a lot of 360 games look better than this. Gears of War looks better than this, and it's three years old.

Whether it's PS3 exclusive, 360 exclusive, multiplat, PC exclusive, Wii exclusive or DreamCast exclusive (maybe not the last two), the graphics really aren't all that stunning.

They're not bad, no, but they didn't blow me away. They might have a few years ago, but really, games look better now. And all promotional screenshots are photoshopped and edited to look better. Sony does it all the time.



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Kantor on 30 June 2009

Need I say more?

EDIT: Holy shit, they actually look really similar (in terms of art direction)



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Munkeh111 on 30 June 2009
selnor said:
epicurean said:
Munkeh111 said:
selnor said:
WereKitten said:
selnor said:

Are people here insane? It's not like I woke decided I know I'll pick some 360 exclusives put them up on VGChartz and say 360 graphics FTW.

They are bloody Multiplatform games. My disgust at the FF franchise is not something new and you should no this. Both FF13 and EOE ( or ROF ) are 3rd party and for both systems. LP2 is 3rd party and for both systems. Seriously I think some PS3 fans need to evaluate what they are squabbling over.

Yes I put my opinion on the OP. But I did not throw it out there to purposely pi** off Ps3 fans. I think that is easily seeable from the OP words.

Do well to read these to forums, which are actually far more balanced than VGChartz. Even fanboys of both sides respect multiplats superior graphics when it happens. Like I said VGChartz is in a bubble.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-lost-planet/50619#comments_top

http://gamersyde.com/news_7957_en.html

 

I don't like ad hominem attacks from any side, but of course I've told you several times that I think that you're too prone to hyperbole :)

Anyway, regarding your links, I don't think that they will be very poignant. After all, you're likely exchanging a prevalent opinion greatly based on console affiliation demographic for another.

But I can remind you that Uncharted 2 has been praised as best graphics of E3 - or even best graphics of any console game - by numerous critics.

A quite unbiased source such as Digital Foundry (nowadays hosted by Eurogamer) still regards KZ2 and Uncharted 1 as the current top dogs when it comes to visual prowess on consoles and ran in-depth series on them. They also made an annotated version of the Uncharted 2 trailer to point out its many wonderful details of animation, lighting, HDR, motion blur, and the many improvements over the first one.

On technical forums such as beyond3d there were discussions abouth the presentations made by Guerrilla about the KZ2 engine and its deferred rendering techniques for lighting and post effects.

This is not to say that technical discussion should dictate what you find more beautiful or impressive. Just that if you want to look for different and unbiased opinions, there's other ways than choosing an audience that more closely mirrors your personal stance.

It's not choosing an audience that mirrors my stance. I would never choose a tech place for a discussion on what looks prettier. Give 2 people 2 chocolate bars. One is a Mars bar and the other is a normal brand bar, but just like a Mars bar. If you dont tell him which is which, that person will likely choose either. This brings me to why I and many others can say what looks more impressive without knowing that KZ2 has 1 more polygon on the right shoe of the characters than say RE5 does.

You can go anywhere not just those 2 sites. Gamepsot, IGN, Youtube. Even the media. E3 awards I think Uncharted 2 only won 2 awards for graphics? IGN and 1 other. All I'm saying is people attacked in this thread for no reason. And I cant believe that PS3 fans get this way over a multiplatform title. As a 360 fan I'm chuffed it looks great and with 4 player split screen coop. Something which good looking PS3 exclusives lack is 4 player splitscreen coop. Even Uncharted 2 only has 2 player coop. IS it splitscreen or over netwrok?

I'm sure games like LP2 would look even better again if the engine could soley concentrate on just single screen.  And not have to accomodate split screen smoothly.

There is no reall point anymore on VGChartz speaking outside of your console of choice groups.

Firstly, Uncharted 2 has 3 player co-op, but I don't think it is local

Anyway, let's see how many graphics awards U2: AT won:

While game critics had no best graphics award, Uncharted 2 did get game of the show, no doubt due to its great graphics
1up, again, no best graphics award avaliable, but it won game of the show
Gametrailers, it won best graphics
Gamespot, it won best graphics
IGN, it won best graphics technology

Where else do you want to look?

Quoting because I really want to see his answer after stating the U2 only won 2 awards and LP2 cleaned up on best graphics...

You want to see my answer. Ummmm he found 3 instead of the 2 I said? Is that better for you?

And if you ant me to point out that Splinter Cell Conviction and Mass Effect 2 won more awards across the field. In fact Mass Effect 2 is best video game as it won 4 game of the show awards.

It won every major site that has a best graphics award, find me a major site where it did not. You do realise that the Game Critics Awards is just from the editors of the major publications, check out the website, this is what they say:

Welcome to the website for the Game Critics Awards, an independent group of 29 leading North American media outlets that cover the videogame industry.

Each year the Game Critics conduct a critics poll for the Game of the Year to recognize the top 10 titles released during the previous calendar year. Fallout 3 was named Game of the Year for 2008.

The Game Critics Awards also present its Best of E3 Awards. These awards recognize the games that will shape the future of interactive entertainment, as demonstrated via hands-on playable form at the E3 Expo in Los Angeles, CA. This year's E3 was held June 2-4.

The voting publications for the Game Critics awards represent the following esteemed media outlets:



Kantor on 30 June 2009

As for everyone on all forums being amazed by these graphics...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26898459

IGN didn't even HAVE a thread. Neither did GAF.

Could you give us a link to these forums where people were going crazy?

EDIT: GameTrailers and Gamersyde? I've never heard of the second, and the first is notorious for being one of the worst forums of the internet. I read a thread there once and left with a migraine.



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Kantor on 30 June 2009

I must say, though, these "Game Critics Awards" are a bit of a joke. In 2007, for GoTY, they put Assassin's Creed above Uncharted, Rock Band above Super Mario Galaxy and The Orange Box above CoD4.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight......



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