I don't think GTA IV was a bad game, just a victim of over hyping, but Assassin's Creed was pretty bad man.

Why was it bad ? It maybe was repetitive, but the gameplay was awesome as was the atmosphere and the graphics. Story was also great.

Maybe some people were let down by the cliffhanger at the end, but it surely wasn't a bad game.

Like you said, maybe "just a victim of over hyping".

Great story? You kidding, right? But OK... the boring part is enough for me. I'm at the moment bored at home. I don't want to get bored playing video games ;)

About GTAIV... it's also bad, IMO. Over hyping? That's not an issue for me... I honestly wasn't expecting the greatest thing since sliced bread. But I was expecting something decent, at least.

Well, enough of offtopic! Saints Raw 2 ROCKSSSS ;)

I was expecting platforming like Ubisoft's other game, Prince of Persia (the Sands of time trilogy). In fact, if my memory is correct, didn't a good number of the PoP team work on this, if not the entire/core team? I mean the platforming in that game was:

1. Press X (I think, forgot was the controls were now, lol)

2. Run in the direction you want to go.

I mean, there's absolutely nothing you had to do platforming wise, you just move the analong stick. I mean, it would have been nice if there was more emphasis on being aware of the situation rather than being a good platformer, but all you needed to do was aimlessly look around for a pile of hay, unlike what I was expecting from the E3 presentation (run towards the gate, break stuff or jump through them).

I mean, Ubisoft presented to me this stealth game with elements of Prince of Persia, with strategy that's Hitman esque (when, where, and how will you kill? And how will you escape)? But what I got was a game that ended up being MORE repetitive than GTA for christ sakes. They presented how the combat would be very technical and hard, and I you ended up having a shit load of hitpoints if you did all the side quests like me, and a stupid combat system of just countering over and over and over.

Story sucked balls, there wasn't any character development nor theme, and the concept itself wasn't interesting for the sake of it. It won't appeal to intelectual type people, or people who just want a sweet story (like me). I mean, I agree with IGN that it may have been better to reveal it was a machine in the end, but I still think that wouldn't really make the story that much more interesting.

I wouldn't say its a victim of over hyping, but simply Ubisoft completely mis-representing the game that was supposed to come out. I didn't listen to the fans, I listened to Ubisoft, and IGN to wait until the game was $30, and even still I didn't even get a B game (I came in with low expectations, and ended up even failing that) but a C game.

Here's the video I rememeber wowing me a few years ago.

The video that made me respect IGN

I mean the stealth was underwhelming, the combat was underwhelming, the platforming was underwhelming, the story was underwhelming, the missions were underwhelming, but the graphics were nice.

Saints row 2 is fantastic.

The improvements in Saints 2 compared to Saints 1 are similar to the impovements between GTA Vice city and GTA III.

Example (Bikes included, your character actually speaks, better soundtrack, and just generally a lot more fun)

Saints 2 for me is easily in my top 5 sandbox games of all time (Along with Dead rising, GTA VC, Mafia and Crackdown)

And to top it all off, the game has co-op, online Sandbox co-op heaven

In story, GTA IV is slightly better. In everything else Saints Row 2 is better

I am sorry to say but... I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS THREAD!

GTAIV is not a bad game (is a very good game) but Saints Row 2 is muuuuuch more fun....

But the radio in Saints Row 2 is the best. No other game even comes close to its music

I didn't found it much special. It's ok, but nothing to wow me over, and definitely not better than the PS2 GTAs. Haven't played GTA4, though, so I can't compare to it.

Though, a definite plus is the character creation, it's great that you can make your character as you see fit and that he speaks as normal

Ronster316 said: Saints row 2 is fantastic. The improvements in Saints 2 compared to Saints 1 are similar to the impovements between GTA Vice city and GTA III. Example (Bikes included, your character actually speaks, better soundtrack, and just generally a lot more fun) Saints 2 for me is easily in my top 5 sandbox games of all time (Along with Dead rising, GTA VC, Mafia and Crackdown) And to top it all off, the game has co-op, online Sandbox co-op heaven

Do you think that I should buy Mafia (PC version) even the game being a little old now?