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everyone who claims that shia's being bashed just because he doesn't like the wii need to reread what he said. he basically bashed the entire wii user base, and he has never played the console. opinions are fine, but this guy hasn't even touched a wii. he has no right to use such harsh words.
let it be known that i still plan on seeing transformers 2. also, although Megan Fox is a twit, id still hit that. XD
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You don't need to play the Wii to know that it is geared towards casual gamers rather than the hardcore.
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right, but to state that its for "amateur" players is just wrong. i dont really view myself as an "amateur". the wii may have a lot of casual games, but they don't all suck, like he's implying.
don't forget that the wii has its fair share of core and challenging games....
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Casual does mean Amateur, but because they don't want to progress their gaming skills. Would you rather I said novice? The Wii may have challenging games...but the amount of those games, do not warrent a purchase from a hardcore gamer. Casuals can get full value out of that system.
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look, no matter what anyone says, ALL GAMES use progression of skills. what hardcore gamers have that casuals dont is the understanding of most games in general; they can pick up just about any game and play it because theyve played many many games before and developed the "sense". casual games are ones that only require common sense. the wii only amplifies this, because of its intuitive controls. hardcore gamers tend to hate casual gamers because they didnt have to work hard for their fun. which makes sense.... sort of.
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You just admitted that the Wii is a start up system, without actually saying it. Most people who buy Wii's are not going to upgrade. You also hit the nail on the head for while most hardcore gamers cannot tolerate casual games. Hardcore gamers are a minority, but their voice still holds a lot of weight.
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youre funny. i was actually neutral and adding to your point, but since you insist on treating everyone who doesnt hail your HD consoles as the center of gaming, i guess ill just jump in.
hm, i guess it could be a startup system. but it certainly isnt single sided. plenty of hardcore. besides, its not like this simple-button, easy to figure out thing started with the wii. its in pretty much all of nintendo's games. wii just has waggle.
and another thing. dont say upgrade. i dont find the PS3 better than the wii.
aaaand finally, how many people do you think bought the PS3 or Xbox because "they heard the graphics were like krazy!"? the truth is, casual lies in your precious HD systems too. people who play games where one button makes you enter a long (albeit beautiful) and boring cutscene where some guy rips off another's head or slams him into a wall. the ridiculously good-looking games that make people go "nice graphics" even though the gameplay sucks ass. the button mashing games (Yes, im looking at your precious tekken. i love the fact that it has character depth, story and fighting styles, but i hate how i can own someone without practice). games that have oh-so-many tracks, maps, cars or weapons. oh and your fapping games. forgot about those. these games are a STRONG part of(pretty much most of) the HD library. they just have M or T slapped on to them, to fool people into thinking theyre elite. yes, you can argue that the triple A games on HD consoles are ridiculously hardcore, and i cant disagree. but like 20-30 games in a library of 500, 800, 1000?
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I never said that the Playstation 3 is subjectively better, when I say upgrading. When I say that someone is upgrading to HD, they are upgrading their know-how of gaming and are entering a new realm. It is kind of like playing music; I play guitar and sing, so I know about progressing and wanting increase the quality of my sound. I want to play harder songs and learn newer styles. I never forget where I came from, but I upgrade to be current...and most importantly, because the challenge keeps me on my toes. Nintendo are the masters of pulling non-gamers into gaming...like they did with me when I was four years old. I was a dedicated Nintendo owner, until I bought the Playstation, which basically sucked up all the good games. I still had the 64, but as I grew up Playstation provided the more mature titles that I wanted to play. In the Playstation era, I was in middle school, so yeah. Playstation 2 was highschool, and the beginning of the next gen was college, so there you have it. It was a long process, in which I grew into the difficulty and diversity of games. Nintendo may be making all the money, but they create start-up systems. They are the innovators and the gate keepers for the console gaming industry. Microsft and Sony are the scavengers, who pick up the pieces. I gladly went for the scavengers, because as I grew as a gamer, they provided. Until Nintendo caters to me, I have no use for it. This is also a reason some of my friends who only had Wii's upgraded to 360's. They loved the party games, but got bored after a while, because of the lack of cool games coming out. Well E3 has shown some great games, but they seem to be in a 360 trance right now. My friends who own the PS3 are few, so I am alone there. I have only one friend who solely owns the Wii, and he is trying to kill off playing videogames so he can focus on "more important things", as he puts it. Technically the Wii exists so he can play with his girl and stay away from hardcore gaming, but everytime he comes to hang with us, he gets tempted to buy an HD system (which he can more than afford). He is a huge fan of team ICO games.
First of all, PS360 games aren't all one button kill games. This is why there are sixteen to eighteen buttons on the controller. They are there so you can inflict a maximum amount of carnage in action games, make realistic plays in sports games and in shooters to be able to control your weaponry and not be stationary in the process. I am not a graphics over substance person, so don't write me off as one. There are plenty of quality games on both HD systems, that do have great graphics, but are quality games. In fact at this point, there are too many. You may not feel that way, but I respect that. Nintendo does offer a certain something, to certain people.
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just as ps360 games arent all one-button kill games, wii isnt all party games, nor is it all simple games. and simple onebutton controls does not mean you can master the game without skill. it just means YOU have to figure out for yourself how the game works. as for your sixteen to eighteen button theory... im not sure about the 360 but the playstation 3 has 17 buttons; the L2 and R2 are rarely used. The home button is useless during gameplay, the select button is useless during gameplay, and the analog/dpad alternate; rarely are they used together. wii controller implements all 13 (minus the home button, and nunchuk motion as a button) buttons in most of nintendo's games. oh and please name your quality games, ill tell you which, by your definition, are casual and which are not, plus match a high quality nintendo game.
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The Nintendo Wii is the king of Party games. There will be more Mario Party, Mario Kart, Wario ware, Wii Sports, Wii Fits, and Wii Resorts to come. The Wii has mature titles, but they are few and far between as opposed to the casual titles. The Wii is no place for a hardcore title to grow. PS3 and 360 are shot for party games besides for Viva Pinata, Little Big Planet, Rockband and Guitar Hero. Rock Band and Guitar Hero are already on the Wii so that increase the amount of Popular Party games that the Wii has on its already decorated roster. I almost forgot about Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games sold over 11 million copies between the Wii and the DS. Platformers=Casual. There might be some well crafted games on the Wii, but the mature titles that are worth buying are in low quantities.
The PS3 and 360 controllers have from 16-18 buttons. You seem to forget that on Xbox live you can use the home button, because you can have conversations with your friends and look up achievements to focus on, while playing. It is a second option box, just like the start button. L1 and L2 and R1 and R2 and their counter parts on the 360 are very valuable for use (Especially if you are playng sports, FPS or racing). In games like Mass Effect, the right and left top button are inventory buttons, which choose your weapons or powers. This is an argument that you cannot win. There are far too many great 360 and PS3 games to count, so i'll only give a few. I'll probably give more later.
All of these games are either from 8.5's to solid 10's. Find this many mature titles (not party games or platformers).
Street Fighter IV
Gears of War 1 & 2
Killzone 2
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Condemned 1 & 2
Lost Planet
Perfect Dark Zero
Red Faction: Guerilla
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Resistance 1 & 2
MGS4
Soul Calibur 4
Tales of Vesperia
Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction
Call of Duty 4
Assassins Creed
Saints Row
Saints Row 2
Mass Effect
Grand Theft Auto IV
If I gave a true list it would be way longer, but this is just off the top of my head.
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