Yeah, it's so obvious how these developers have not took the time to make a proper Wii game and they state things that just aren't true most likely in hopes that people just go along with what they say so they don't even have to try and put work into development.  My question is many of these developers had the proper tools and set ups for Gamecube yet their Wii games sometimes don't even use those already developed tools that are about 8 years old by now at least.

i know this is late, but their claims are true, you can see in the screenshots/trailers. they pushed the wii to do things the others said it couldnt do, and you can see that

Totally agree, HVS has not done anything revolutionary nor do I think they'll be well known for The Conduit as a game but I like those guys for pushing hard, showing what the hardware can actually do, and the kind of work that has to go into a third party title.  I just love making the point that these guys made some pretty bad stuff in the past (all to make it by in this industry) and now they're one upping huge names in the industry that make false claims and just settle for making terrible games for the Wii, it's kinda like HVS said "Hey we made the crappy games so we could put food on the table we HAD to, you guys have all the ability to make good games happen for third party on Wii and y'all are choosing not to, but now you left the door wide open for a real effort and we're going to take it from you" even though The Conduit probably won't be ZOMG 10! SYSTEM SELLER!  It's just the point and the attitudes of HVS I really like and hell for the show they've given me for the past year I'm already entertained and I'll give them my 50 dollars.

Looks nice. I am glad that they are providing what others have for so long on "N" systems been so unwilling to provide.

Now if the complaining N-heads would only buy it.

I don't understand how an FPS on the Wii is automatically not able to compete with an FPS on one or both of the HD Twins.  If we're using graphics as a metric, then sure, I agree.  But gameplay is fair game.

Hmm. The Grinder actually looks cool. I think the Conduit looks pretty lame, but The Grinder has grabbed my attention. Graphics looking quite decent there.

I'm still trying to figure out if the grinder will hold a candle to L4D1 gameplay wise. If they leave the formula from L4D mostly intact and focus on replayability, even with relatively few levels (like L4D1) they'll have a winner. I hope just they realize how amazing versus mode is in L4D, and that they need something like that for the Grinder.

Well, with a game like The Grinder that has an emphasis on cooperative play, the ability to communicate with your teammates is vital. That doesn't mean each player needs a headset, but you need some way to inform your teammates of certain things. On the PC players without headsets can type out things to tell the team, but even in the incredibly unlikely event that everyone has a WiiSpeak, Nintendo's restrictive online chat policies mean that you can only chat with those on your friends list. This means there is going be a communication barrier for people playing The Grinder online. From a communication prespective, which really stems from Nintendo's attitude surrounding online play, the Wii is definately going to be lacking compared to its rivals.

The point is where the PS3, X360 and especially PC are at with regards to online functionality isn't anywhere near the that of the Wii. Nintendo simply didn't focus on online, and ended up with something resembling the PS2's online system. Many things now taken for granted were implemented on a game by game basis with no unified structure, providing a convoluted but functional online system.

Yes because those screenshots totally hold a candle to Uncharted 2, God of War 3 or KZ2 screenshots...

If someone says a Honda Civic is not underpowered would you bring up the quarter mile times of a Mustang?

Saying something is not underpowered is (essentially) saying that it has adequate power, not that it is very powerful.