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superchunk said:
Squilliam said:
superchunk said:
Soriku said:
I think you're really underestimating the lineup, Squilly.

How much did Nintendo ship ao far?

Glad you ask.

2008 Jan - 1st week of June.

     Wii sold = ~7,889,378

2008 total sold = ~23,840,570

2009 Jan - 1st week of June.

     Wii sold = ~7,312,910

 

So, the Wii is only down by ~500,000 units as compared to last year. This is surprising since Japan has been so massively slow thus far. Now consider you have Monster Hunter 3 and a new Wii color coming to Japan soon, Wii Fit Plus, New Super Mario Bros, and a good amount of solid 3rd party efforts vs crappy wagglefied PS2 ports.

I'd say it is very much possible for Wii to *ship* >26m this year.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Apr 2009 to 13th Jun 2009:

 

Console Wii
Total
2,286,063

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 06th Apr 2008 to 14th Jun 2008:

 

Console Wii
Total
4,173,040

Do you see a significant problem with them reaching their sales target?

@ Soriku: Mario games are most popular with Nintendo fans who likely already have the console, unless you think for some reason a 2nd Mario game will have a huge impact? and Wii Fit+ is essentially an expansion to the same title, its nothing new. The only think potentially new is Wii Sports resort, but we will have to wait n see on that one.  

Holy cherry picking mother of god you're good.

First off remember that Super Smash Bros Brawl was only a couple months old and is still selling >300k a month.

Let's see the top new Wii games from that time that had arying degrees of influence on sales:

April 2008
Mario Kart Wii (2.2m)

May 2008
Mario Kart Wii (additional 3m)

June 2008
Mario Kart Wii (additional 700k)
LEGO Indiana Jones (500k Wii is best selling ver)

Now, this is not including anything else like WiiFit and which barely a year old is still selling in the top 5 worldwide every month.

****************

April 2009
Guitar Hero: Metallica (205k)

May 2009
Punch Out!! (206k)

June (granted partial month)
EA Sports Active (240k)

***************

So, your looking at 3 months in 2008 when that year's biggest seller launched that is still in the top 10 every month to a 2.5 month time frame with absolutely NO big games.

You don't see anything wrong with that logic?

Let's recap this in November after NSMBWii, MH3 (japan), WiiSportsResort, WiiFitPlus, etc have all launched.

Again, 26million shipped is in the bank.


He's not cherry picking, he picked sales since the start of the financial year for Nintendo which is what matter for their 26 millions units forecast ( it's for fiscal year not calendar year).

Wii already had one hit this year, EA Sports Active(800k units sold in 3 weeks not 240k units like you make it appear by only picking 1 week of June sales). And can't say it had a lot of effect on hardware sales...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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Ail said:
makingmusic476 said:
The Wii will probably be sold out all Christmas just like the past two years. I doubt this would help them.


Ain't gonna happen.

If Nintendo hasn't reduced the production compared to last year, taking the 2.4 millions units or so they are supposed to produce per month they already have over 5 millions units sitting in their warehouses and that number will just keep growing ( ain't gonna sell 2.4 millions Wii in July or August).


Interesting you mention that.. I'd take a stab and say that Nintendo have prepared for the drop they're seeing and perhaps half of those stockpiled consoles are Black Wii's, waiting for their August launch. Also remember that Wii sells over 1 Million units per week in December and up to 2 Million in the last week before Christmas so I don't think they'll be too worried about that..



 

Wii price drop is coming, but not as early as people are hoping for...



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Squilliam said:
superchunk said:
Squilliam said:
superchunk said:
Soriku said:
I think you're really underestimating the lineup, Squilly.

How much did Nintendo ship ao far?

Glad you ask.

2008 Jan - 1st week of June.

     Wii sold = ~7,889,378

2008 total sold = ~23,840,570

2009 Jan - 1st week of June.

     Wii sold = ~7,312,910

 

So, the Wii is only down by ~500,000 units as compared to last year. This is surprising since Japan has been so massively slow thus far. Now consider you have Monster Hunter 3 and a new Wii color coming to Japan soon, Wii Fit Plus, New Super Mario Bros, and a good amount of solid 3rd party efforts vs crappy wagglefied PS2 ports.

I'd say it is very much possible for Wii to *ship* >26m this year.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Apr 2009 to 13th Jun 2009:

 

Console Wii
Total
2,286,063

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 06th Apr 2008 to 14th Jun 2008:

 

Console Wii
Total
4,173,040

Do you see a significant problem with them reaching their sales target?

@ Soriku: Mario games are most popular with Nintendo fans who likely already have the console, unless you think for some reason a 2nd Mario game will have a huge impact? and Wii Fit+ is essentially an expansion to the same title, its nothing new. The only think potentially new is Wii Sports resort, but we will have to wait n see on that one.  

Holy cherry picking mother of god you're good.

First off remember that Super Smash Bros Brawl was only a couple months old and is still selling >300k a month.

Let's see the top new Wii games from that time that had arying degrees of influence on sales:

April 2008
Mario Kart Wii (2.2m)

May 2008
Mario Kart Wii (additional 3m)

June 2008
Mario Kart Wii (additional 700k)
LEGO Indiana Jones (500k Wii is best selling ver)

Now, this is not including anything else like WiiFit and which barely a year old is still selling in the top 5 worldwide every month.

****************

April 2009
Guitar Hero: Metallica (205k)

May 2009
Punch Out!! (206k)

June (granted partial month)
EA Sports Active (240k)

***************

So, your looking at 3 months in 2008 when that year's biggest seller launched that is still in the top 10 every month to a 2.5 month time frame with absolutely NO big games.

You don't see anything wrong with that logic?

Let's recap this in November after NSMBWii, MH3 (japan), WiiSportsResort, WiiFitPlus, etc have all launched.

Again, 26million shipped is in the bank.

Im looking at the first 3 months of the financial year. So the Wii has to outsell its previous years effort by an average of 43,580 per week for the remainder of the 43 weeks left in the financial year. Since I don't think June is going to be at all that friendly to the Wii considering last year it sold 666k in America alone. The Wii sold 1.6M from Jun 15 to Jul 12, but this year it only sold 0.9M Between 10 May and the 6th June. So the Wii could very well fall behind by another 500,000 over the next 4 weeks before WSR and the average advantage over 2008 required to meet the target would rise to ~62K per week.

 

Lets say Wii does slightly better in June than expected and sells 1.2 million units or so.

It still means it has to outsell the previous year by an average of 50k units or so per week like you pointed out.

That would mean the following needs to be achieved :

July-september would need average of 400-420k/week.

January March would need average of 350-450k .

Chrismas would have to be bigger than last year.

 

i can give you Chrismas being bigger but I don't think anyone in their right mind expect July-September to be anywhere near 400-420k seeing how the Wii is barely above 210k right now.

The less well it does in that period the bigger the burden becomes on the holydays, to a point where it becomes unachievable...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

^ Pretty much! I seriously doubt that millions of people are 'waiting' for a black Wii. I don't really understand this obsession! Also Wii Sports Resort will be awesome but its value is tempered by the existance of Wii Play, Wii Sports etc. Its all about diminishing marginal return, basicly you don't value your 2nd or 3rd mini game collection nearly as much as your first (Wii Sports) or your second (Wii Play).



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SaviorX said:
late-March/April of next year sounds like a better time.


The Wii can still kill this Christmas at its current price point. The only system that needs a price cut but can't get one is the PS3.


Oh yeah, you're still losing the bet. However, the Wii is tracking much slower than I expected. Probably because of the lack of a consistent stream of compelling software.

I agree with this.
The Wii numbers are finally dipping, but I doubt they will be poor during the holiday season.  After the holiday season (so, March-April), we might see a price cut to see systems moving.

 

I, for one, would like to see Nintendo sell tons of systems, and hope they don't get cocky with the price.  Hell, they should drop it to $150 next year and skip $200 altogether.



Pachter predicted that Wii would have about 15% marketshare, too.



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@squilliam - ok, I'll give you that if WSR/Conduit/MH3/EASportActive don't cause a significant push through the remainder of summer, then I would also agree there is no way they are hitting the 26m shipped.

However, that does not mean there will be any price cut. If they still feel they will hit 20m+ a similar number sold to last year, they will not cut the price.

But, my point about apr-jun range still stands. MKWii killed last year and this year there is nothing big, yet.



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superchunk said:
@squilliam - ok, I'll give you that if WSR/Conduit/MH3/EASportActive don't cause a significant push through the remainder of summer, then I would also agree there is no way they are hitting the 26m shipped.

However, that does not mean there will be any price cut. If they still feel they will hit 20m+ a similar number sold to last year, they will not cut the price.

But, my point about apr-jun range still stands. MKWii killed last year and this year there is nothing big, yet.

The question is, how flexible their production lines are. If they would otherwise idle a reasonable percentage of their production which they put in place to deal with the Wiis massive sales they could be better off with a small price cut because unused production adds to the average cost of the Wii.



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