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Well Nintendo or MS could always used yet another one of Sony's harder learned lessons to their own benefit in the future.



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The camera is an amazing piece of tech. Beyond EoJ, I see future games where you will wear certain items and the Eye will mo-cap yourself into games or just be a way to control the character of a game, by your movements. You won't need a wiimote for gesture based games.



So what do you win if your prefered console sells more than another?

Here's a better clip that won't have you falling asleep, methinks.

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/Games/THE_EYE_OF_JUDGMENT

By the way, it's kind of hard to tell, but they show the white PS Eye camera and it looks to me like there's a cord on the table, so I'm thinking it isn't wireless.

Question is whether this TCG is worthwhile. If it could stand on its own and do well, then I think it will drive PS Eye hardware sales. If not, then I think the PS Eye may sell despite the game.

Me personally, I wasn't that thrilled with the PS2 Eyetoy. If the PS Eye has a good, high quality camera with zoom (edit: it does) and doesn't require extra lighting to work well, then it may be worthwhile. But the Eyetoy didn't work well enough for me to be happy with it.

 

Edit: another clip, different camera...huh?

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/09/20/5-things-you-dont-know-the-eye-of-judgment



Four ways to play - player vs. PS3, player vs. player offline, player vs. player online, PS3 vs. PS3 using players own deck.

 

WTF, are we getting that lazy?  "Uh, here's the deck computer, you play yourself."

 

"PS3 Wins"

 

 



I see this having no legs. It may take off at the start, but honestly I have a feeling it's just going to hang in the air. Too much work for too little game.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

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This game does look pretty cool, though I only say that because I use to be a huge M:tG dork (and I still would be if it didn't cost so much money and had 7 decks that were filled with betas, foil, signed, promotional cards and all other sorts of special cards worth a lot of money that I traded most of my collection to get). That being said, I don't think it will do well because it just has so much going against it.

1. It might have a single player game, but those don't do well with games like this beyond the tutorial. Just look at any of the M:tG single player games out there.

2. As the comic about pointed out, you need an extra accessory to play. Accessory games don't traditionally do well. True, there are things like DDR and Guitar Hero that have done incredibly well, but there are many others that haven't.

3. There won't be any online play for this. Not a huge thing, but that's just one thing that could help it. This game would just be far too easy to cheat if there was an online component.

4. I haven't watched the video (yet-- downloading now just on a slow connection) but I'm assuming there are more cards to buy. That's requiring a huge commitment from people and is going to turn a lot of people off.

5. The subject matter isn't based on anything else. If this had the M:tG, Yugioh, Pokemon, Gundam, Battletech, LotR, whatever name attached to it that would help sales but it's a new universe.

6. Need to have two players in the same space. This isn't a fanboy comment but this game needed to be on the Wii. The PS3 and 360 are all about online gaming and the Wii is about gaming with friends. Eye of Judgement isn't going to have online gaming and it all about gaming with friends-- totally against what the PS3 is about.

Since we have PS3's at work I can see myself playing this game with other card game dorks, but I really just don't see this game doing that great.

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hmm, seems I was wrong about online.  I wonder how they're going to get past rampant cheating (stacking the deck or fake drawing the right cards) and photoshopping and copying your own cards.



twestern,

You will have to register your deck to be able to play online. That should kill cheating until hacks are available.



So what do you win if your prefered console sells more than another?

Zero Hero said:
twestern,

You will have to register your deck to be able to play online. That should kill cheating until hacks are available.

 I'm still confused how that will help things though.  I suppose each card could have an individual ID tied to it, but would you really want to enter what would almost certainly be a friend code type number for each card in your 30 card deck (it's 30 right?).

If there's no number, then I can go back to lieing and saying yeah I have 4 copies of super awesome card that kills everyone.  And of course there's still no protection against any type of deck stacking or sleight of hand type tricks (which aren't hard to do).

Unless they come up with good solutions for both of those, I can really see online not being a lot of fun.  And don't get me wrong, I think this is a pretty cool idea and one I do expect to play, I just don't see online being good.  Imagine a M:tG deck where everyone plays channel fireball decks or Tolerian Academy decks that always get perfect hands. 



Hmm, after watching the video I'm not so sure how excited I am for this game. Maybe the spells will make things a little more interesting but it really just doesn't look that good (coming from someone who loves CCG's) and I can imagine the long attacks and summons would get fairly old after a while.

Also, since you can't see the other player I'm completely convinced everyone online will cheat and will just draw whatever they need.



Zero Hero said:
The camera is an amazing piece of tech. Beyond EoJ, I see future games where you will wear certain items and the Eye will mo-cap yourself into games or just be a way to control the character of a game, by your movements. You won't need a wiimote for gesture based games.

The PSeye isn't capable of sensing motion in 3D.  It can only sense motion and acceleration in a 2D plane.