One month sig and profile picture control per bet? also nothing happens if we tie like if i were to win the sales bet and you the one about review scores.

bet number 1= sales

bet number 2= review scores

I have two thoughts right now....

1) Those guys at Turn-10 seem pretty disrespectful and scared lately...
2) Does this mean we have to wait even longer for GT5?? If it's not out by January, I'm just going with GTP on my PSP and forgetting about GT5....

They have the best racing sim in the world, i dont think that they feel desperate or scared. I believe that FORZA 3 will outsell GT5p install base by the end of the year...

And yet it says in your sighn that the whole 'Belive" thing is delusional.

Polyphony hasn't only been working on GT5, however.  They released Tourist Trophy in early 2006, the free GTHD in late 2006, and they're mere months away from releasing GT PSP, with over 800 cars.

What would Forza 3 look like if Turn 10 had to divert team members and resources to 1-2 other games during its year and a half dev time?

We don't even know the size of Turn 10, it could easily be larger than PD which has 110 employees according to their website. GT5:P, GT5 and GT Mobile will be the output of Polyphony Digital this generation at worst.

On top of that Forza 3 has 400 cars and I am willing to bet anything GT5 will have more. There are more cars on a track at one time in GT5, Nascar and WRC additions and obviously so much more yet unannounced so that takes a long time.

Turn 10 talking trash because they know which dev leads the racing simulation genre which is PD. It's getting out of hand though to the point where Turn 10 are just getting very annoying. It's PR at the end of the day and Forza 3 is releasing soon so why not?

When we get a GT5 release date even with Sony marketing everyone will know the game is releasing soon. Nascar is a big addition which will pull the crowd from NA and WRC is also big. Having been unfortunate enough to watch Nascar I can say about as much skill as blinking is required but meh some people like it.

Forza 3 will outsell GT5 in NA of that there is no doubt, EU and Japan will be GT5 all the way. One can say Sony are too leniant when it comes to PD but can they be blamed? They could have bitched in 2007 that GT5 had not released so prologue released and sold a million in no time. Then they shut up, probably complaining now however when GT Mobile releases they will shit up again. Moaning will start again then GT5 will release and Sony will be bending backward for Yamauchi.

I wish Sony did force GT5 out now however PD will never be pushed......EVER!

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PSP GT:Mobile was announced at the launch of PSP. I know because I bought PSP because of it. So that's how long Mobile has been in development.

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GT5 Prologue's first week doubled Forza 2's first week. And you think the real GT5 is going to be beaten by Forza 3?

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No...  If ANY game takes 5 years to develop -- on any console -- it should be so damn astonishing that the current 1-10 or 1-100 just doesn't cut it.  It must redefine what we think of in that genre so completely that we have to either go back and ratchet everything down in arrears or create a new "super-rating" system.

Seriously, 5 years PLUS is nuts.  Be it a Halo title, GT title, Gears title, or anything else...

One more quick note...

I have done business with large-scale Japanese companies for many years. It is very common for a Japanese company to study their competition in gory detail -- they are not ashamed or concerned about how it may look. They will openly ask brazen questions (that often simply cannot be answered without giving away corporate secrets), observe, and take copious notes. They do this for one reason -- they are sizing up the competition and looking for anything that can give them an advantage. Rest assured that if the Devs came by, they are acknowledging Forza 3 as a genuine competitor and they want to learn more about the product before they release their own just in case they miss something really cool or obvious that would be easy to emulate or implement in GT5's final release.

It may be that PD didn't find anything that concerned them. It may be that they liked some of the features. It may be they just took notes about what they saw so they can discuss it at a later meeting. I guarantee, however, that there was or will be shortly a meeting within PD to discuss what they saw and strategies may or may not be developed or implemented.

Just how do you think the Japanese have beaten so many "inventors" at their own game? It is their methodology. They have taken many technologies invented in other countries, studied them, and then perfected them to the point of destroying the competition... See history. Cars. Cellular Phones. Laser-Read-Disks. The list is very long... In the end, the Japanese have studied the competition and one-upped them. I'm sure PD has the same intentions...