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Aaron11 on 06 June 2009

ms and sony fnaboys would probably just call it another gimmic from Nintendo.



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DrYon on 06 June 2009

If Nintendo had shown Natal I doubt the MS fanboys would praised it.



Torillian on 06 June 2009

@Yon

and I doubt Nintendo fanboys would be so skeptical about it working.

I mean come on guys, what's the point in a statement like that. fanboys suck on all sides, if Nintendo showed Natal some people would stop praising and others would start. Fanboys are fanboys, they're by definition illogical and biased.



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couchmonkey on 06 June 2009
ironman said:
Given all the info we have an NATAL, I think it's safe to assume that MS will have a solution to all those issues.

Why is it safe to assume that?  Is it safe to assume that Windows 7 is the solution to all of the Windows Vista issues people are having? Don't believe the hype.  I'll believe in Natal when Microsoft delivers it in an open environment where everyone can try it.

Edit: On the original topic, I do think Nintendo would get tougher treatment, but that's because Nintendo is turning the industry upside-down.  The video game media have invested so heavily in the old market that this is a serious threat to them (not that all of them understand it on that business level, but they do understand it on a "why do all these Wii games suck so bad but sell so well?" level).

As for the mainstream media, they need any sort of controversy they can find to sell their product so they love to show Microsoft and Sony declaring war on Nintendo.

 



TX109 on 06 June 2009
ironman said:
TX109 said:
ironman said:
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ironman said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
ironman said:
Wow, media hate? You Wii boys need to stop crying about how you are the victims of hate. The media praises your consoles innovations just as much as other consoles. Just because you don't get the amount of positive coverage you think you deserve, does not mean the media is biased. The Wii already maxed out it's media potential when it brought motion control to the table. Why would the Media want to rehash the same old thing with slight improvements, when they could get more vewership off of something entirely different and new? Wii doesn't have games for hardcore gamers, they have Mario, Zelda, and Wii fit. Not Killzone2, Halo3, GT5, or Forza 3. They aren't even a HiDef console.

With that having been said, what if MS had released Wiimote+ and Nintendo had shown NATAL this E3? Would the hyp be the same? contend it would. People would have looked at the MS version of Wiimote+ and said, oh how cute, they are trying to copy the Wii. But if they saw Nintendo's version of NATAL, they would have sung it's praises because it is more innovative than anything they had come up with to date. I too would have been very impressed with it, and very unimpressed with MS Wiimote+ (after all, if I wanted to use a Wii mote, I would go out and buy a Wii)

media show same attention to Wii, are you serious!? gamespot is an example, it's like Wii does not even exist for them (or gaming magazines and this stuff)

it's a matter of opinion what you like, but Natal is so limited, most activities you don't even neeed Natal to do them at all, the only thing you could need Natal for is swordplay and karate or an on-rails shooter let's say but that can happen on WM+ as well, where you cannot use kicks let's say but you can more character and you do more things than just use a sword for example, i can't see how Natal is even close to WM+

but hey, Natal is from MS which has Xbox360 which has great graphics and mature games where WM+ is coming from the kiddy console that has shit graphics and company that is parasite to core gaming and makes un-interesting games even if they are rated 9.7 and sell 10 millions, so it's convinient to hate them, correct? : P

For the most part I agree with that statement! But, then again, to each their own. However, one thing I disagree with is your silly "Natal is so limited" argument. That is simply not true. NATAL is so unlimited it's not even funny, you don't have to work within the confines of a silly waggle remote. You have 3D full body motion sensing, and voice regonition. Two things the Wii mote can't do.  

NATAL is very limited. 3D full body motion sensing and voice recognititon are great, BUT what are you going to do with it? its not my idea of fun to jog in place to run and say "bang, bang" to shoot while playing an fps or a tps. what about platformers, how do you move or jump?. all NATAL is a more sophisticated eye toy. there, i said it.

You just contradicted yourself. With NATAL the possibilities are endless, with Wiimote, well, it can only track your hand, not your full body, so the possibilites are not so endless. I really don't care if you don't want to jump and move around, just don't buy NATAL. I believe that NATAL is going to immerse you more into the game than any other system. Also, let it be known, MS intends to make all games that work with NATAL work with the origional controller as well. I bet if this was a Wii thing, you would be singing it's praises right now. 

can you point out where i contridicted myself? 

the possibilities are pretty limited without the controller. like i said, how will you run around in say, a platformer or an fps. all i can see it being is an eye toy with better graphics.

and if it were on the wii you would be calling it crap right now.

 

If NATAL were on the Wii, I would be just as impressed. Much like I was when the Wii mote came out, I thought it was quite innovative at the time.

I highlighted the portion where you contradicted yourself, I really don't think anybody (short of an idiot) can say that 3D,  fullbody motion sensing , and voice recognition are as limiting, as having a controller in your hand that has no voice recognition, and only tracks your hand. Also, do a little reasearch on what an eyetoy is and how it works. The eyetoy is a joke compaired to NATAL. 

Now, I know I will probably have to spoon feed this to you guys a couple of times (much like I  had to do in two other threads) but I'm patient, and you will learn eventually.

I'm not sure what a platform game is, but I do know what a FPS is, so I can tell you how NATAL would work. First off, lets adress buttons, who needs em? Nobody who has NATAL, if you had to hit a button to jump, well now you actually jump. You want to reload your gun, act like you are reloading it. You want to switch weapons? Say so! You want to strafte right or left, just do it. you wanna crouchwalk, do it. you wanna fire? Either pretend to pull a trigger, or say fire (this one obviously is something that has no dead set solution right now) you wanna take cover behind that concrete barrier, crouch and say "cover" The possibilities are endless.

Now, here is another little nugget, MS is planning to make Halo and COD playable with Natal. Putting a wand or any kind of controller with NATAL would defeat the ad campaign (you are the controller). MS is going to make sure all games for NATAL also can be played with the origional 360 controller.

i guess ill start by admiting that NATAL is impressive technology (as i stated before) but it has way to many holes for me to be totally sold like you. i was just as skeptical about thw wii remote until i truely saw it in action. so here are my questions and doubts to be, as you so interestingly put it, "spoon fed to you".

how do you actually move? this is where a controller comes into play. you cant just jog or walk in place. people will get tired of that. also im sure people will get tired of saying "fire" over and over again. sure you can jump in a platformer by jumping in real life, but how do you indicate how far to jump(if you want a good example of a platformer, look up some of the mario games)? what about fighters like street fighter, how do you pull off all those complex combos? by just punching in different directions or jumping in a differnt way (i saw the demo vid at e3 and it looks like it could do boxing)? its things like this that keep me skeptical. you cant just elliminate a controller, you need to have something like it to do certain things. like move for example. all i see NATAL as is a casual eye toy with voice recognition.

iv also bolded something you obviosly didnt read or refudse to acknowledge after your own highlights.

iv stated what i think of NATAL more than once to you and you seem to be ignoring me. until MS shows me something like you have stated, it will be nothing more to me than an eye toy with voice recognition. 

im done arguing with you about this. think what you want, but ill will remain skeptical until the issues iv staed above are no longer a problem.  



                                                                                                  
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DrYon on 06 June 2009
DrYon said:

If Nintendo had shown Natal I doubt the MS fanboys would praised it.

I'm a Nintendo fanboy and I'm very optimistic with Natal.



Torillian on 06 June 2009

so you're an exception to the rule, you want me to find an MS fanboy that's skeptical about Natal to prove how pointless your statement is?



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DrYon on 06 June 2009
Torillian said:
so you're an exception to the rule, you want me to find an MS fanboy that's skeptical about Natal to prove how pointless your statement is?

You don't need to, there's already some who aren't. Just go to NeoGAF and see it (yeah, there's few, but there is).



ironman on 07 June 2009
TX109 said:
ironman said:
TX109 said:
ironman said:
TX109 said:
ironman said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
ironman said:
Wow, media hate? You Wii boys need to stop crying about how you are the victims of hate. The media praises your consoles innovations just as much as other consoles. Just because you don't get the amount of positive coverage you think you deserve, does not mean the media is biased. The Wii already maxed out it's media potential when it brought motion control to the table. Why would the Media want to rehash the same old thing with slight improvements, when they could get more vewership off of something entirely different and new? Wii doesn't have games for hardcore gamers, they have Mario, Zelda, and Wii fit. Not Killzone2, Halo3, GT5, or Forza 3. They aren't even a HiDef console.

With that having been said, what if MS had released Wiimote+ and Nintendo had shown NATAL this E3? Would the hyp be the same? contend it would. People would have looked at the MS version of Wiimote+ and said, oh how cute, they are trying to copy the Wii. But if they saw Nintendo's version of NATAL, they would have sung it's praises because it is more innovative than anything they had come up with to date. I too would have been very impressed with it, and very unimpressed with MS Wiimote+ (after all, if I wanted to use a Wii mote, I would go out and buy a Wii)

media show same attention to Wii, are you serious!? gamespot is an example, it's like Wii does not even exist for them (or gaming magazines and this stuff)

it's a matter of opinion what you like, but Natal is so limited, most activities you don't even neeed Natal to do them at all, the only thing you could need Natal for is swordplay and karate or an on-rails shooter let's say but that can happen on WM+ as well, where you cannot use kicks let's say but you can more character and you do more things than just use a sword for example, i can't see how Natal is even close to WM+

but hey, Natal is from MS which has Xbox360 which has great graphics and mature games where WM+ is coming from the kiddy console that has shit graphics and company that is parasite to core gaming and makes un-interesting games even if they are rated 9.7 and sell 10 millions, so it's convinient to hate them, correct? : P

For the most part I agree with that statement! But, then again, to each their own. However, one thing I disagree with is your silly "Natal is so limited" argument. That is simply not true. NATAL is so unlimited it's not even funny, you don't have to work within the confines of a silly waggle remote. You have 3D full body motion sensing, and voice regonition. Two things the Wii mote can't do.  

NATAL is very limited. 3D full body motion sensing and voice recognititon are great, BUT what are you going to do with it? its not my idea of fun to jog in place to run and say "bang, bang" to shoot while playing an fps or a tps. what about platformers, how do you move or jump?. all NATAL is a more sophisticated eye toy. there, i said it.

You just contradicted yourself. With NATAL the possibilities are endless, with Wiimote, well, it can only track your hand, not your full body, so the possibilites are not so endless. I really don't care if you don't want to jump and move around, just don't buy NATAL. I believe that NATAL is going to immerse you more into the game than any other system. Also, let it be known, MS intends to make all games that work with NATAL work with the origional controller as well. I bet if this was a Wii thing, you would be singing it's praises right now. 

can you point out where i contridicted myself? 

the possibilities are pretty limited without the controller. like i said, how will you run around in say, a platformer or an fps. all i can see it being is an eye toy with better graphics.

and if it were on the wii you would be calling it crap right now.

 

If NATAL were on the Wii, I would be just as impressed. Much like I was when the Wii mote came out, I thought it was quite innovative at the time.

I highlighted the portion where you contradicted yourself, I really don't think anybody (short of an idiot) can say that 3D,  fullbody motion sensing , and voice recognition are as limiting, as having a controller in your hand that has no voice recognition, and only tracks your hand. Also, do a little reasearch on what an eyetoy is and how it works. The eyetoy is a joke compaired to NATAL. 

Now, I know I will probably have to spoon feed this to you guys a couple of times (much like I  had to do in two other threads) but I'm patient, and you will learn eventually.

I'm not sure what a platform game is, but I do know what a FPS is, so I can tell you how NATAL would work. First off, lets adress buttons, who needs em? Nobody who has NATAL, if you had to hit a button to jump, well now you actually jump. You want to reload your gun, act like you are reloading it. You want to switch weapons? Say so! You want to strafte right or left, just do it. you wanna crouchwalk, do it. you wanna fire? Either pretend to pull a trigger, or say fire (this one obviously is something that has no dead set solution right now) you wanna take cover behind that concrete barrier, crouch and say "cover" The possibilities are endless.

Now, here is another little nugget, MS is planning to make Halo and COD playable with Natal. Putting a wand or any kind of controller with NATAL would defeat the ad campaign (you are the controller). MS is going to make sure all games for NATAL also can be played with the origional 360 controller.

i guess ill start by admiting that NATAL is impressive technology (as i stated before) but it has way to many holes for me to be totally sold like you. i was just as skeptical about thw wii remote until i truely saw it in action. so here are my questions and doubts to be, as you so interestingly put it, "spoon fed to you".

how do you actually move? this is where a controller comes into play. you cant just jog or walk in place. people will get tired of that. also im sure people will get tired of saying "fire" over and over again. sure you can jump in a platformer by jumping in real life, but how do you indicate how far to jump(if you want a good example of a platformer, look up some of the mario games)? what about fighters like street fighter, how do you pull off all those complex combos? by just punching in different directions or jumping in a differnt way (i saw the demo vid at e3 and it looks like it could do boxing)? its things like this that keep me skeptical. you cant just elliminate a controller, you need to have something like it to do certain things. like move for example. all i see NATAL as is a casual eye toy with voice recognition.

iv also bolded something you obviosly didnt read or refudse to acknowledge after your own highlights.

iv stated what i think of NATAL more than once to you and you seem to be ignoring me. until MS shows me something like you have stated, it will be nothing more to me than an eye toy with voice recognition. 

im done arguing with you about this. think what you want, but ill will remain skeptical until the issues iv staed above are no longer a problem.  

I already answered your questions sir. Please reread my posts.



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damkira on 07 June 2009

You're absolutely right... fans of the other consoles seem to hate Nintendo and resent the fact that it has nearly 50% market share.