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Squilliam on 04 June 2009
Vetteman94 said:
Squilliam said:

Because so few people are willing and able to do that, so they have absolutely no incentive to give a crap about you wanting to do it yourself. Because the ability to change the HDD without reading a manual or using a screwdriver set you may not have is far more valuable to a majority of people so an Xbox 360 60GB HDD upgrade is worth more than being able to do it yourself and Microsoft profits from that, just as Nintendo profits from the fact that the Wii is more than the sum of its parts.

Yes because giving the consumer a choice instead of handcuffing them and profitting from it is a bad thing.   Right, why didnt I think of that. 

Its simple economics. If 20 different companies made the Wii, the price of the Wii would be the cost to manufacture the Wii + 5% overall margins. The Wii itself would probably cost no more than $125. However the Wii is more than the sum of its parts and Nintendo has a monopoly, only they can make the Wii. Sony gave you the option to upgrade the HDD in the PS3, they failed to make it easy however. The minority that they cater to are so irrelevant, you as an individual with your ability to upgrade the PS3s HDD are irrelevant next to the sheer number of people who cannot or will not. No amount of bitching is going to change that fact.



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Vetteman94 on 04 June 2009
Squilliam said:
Vetteman94 said:
Squilliam said:

Because so few people are willing and able to do that, so they have absolutely no incentive to give a crap about you wanting to do it yourself. Because the ability to change the HDD without reading a manual or using a screwdriver set you may not have is far more valuable to a majority of people so an Xbox 360 60GB HDD upgrade is worth more than being able to do it yourself and Microsoft profits from that, just as Nintendo profits from the fact that the Wii is more than the sum of its parts.

Yes because giving the consumer a choice instead of handcuffing them and profitting from it is a bad thing.   Right, why didnt I think of that. 

Its simple economics. If 20 different companies made the Wii, the price of the Wii would be the cost to manufacture the Wii + 5% overall margins. The Wii itself would probably cost no more than $125. However the Wii is more than the sum of its parts and Nintendo has a monopoly, only they can make the Wii. Sony gave you the option to upgrade the HDD in the PS3, they failed to make it easy however. The minority that they cater to are so irrelevant, you as an individual with your ability to upgrade the PS3s HDD are irrelevant next to the sheer number of people who cannot or will not. No amount of bitching is going to change that fact.

You are right it is simple economics,  if given the choice alot of average consumers would take the time to learn how to put in a HDD if it could save them money.  An 120GB 2.5" HDD you can get for about $50-60,  so that would save you $60-70, over the Xbox 120GB, to learn how to swap out an HDD.   Especially when it only take a maximum of 15 minutes to do.  And I know that a phillips head screwdriver may look like an extremely sophisticated of a tool to use but I am sure they could figure it out.  

All you are doing is trying to defend Microsoft for making as much money off of the consumer as possible,  which is why my 360 doesnt will never get a HDD upgrade.



Squilliam on 04 June 2009
Vetteman94 said:
Squilliam said:

Its simple economics. If 20 different companies made the Wii, the price of the Wii would be the cost to manufacture the Wii + 5% overall margins. The Wii itself would probably cost no more than $125. However the Wii is more than the sum of its parts and Nintendo has a monopoly, only they can make the Wii. Sony gave you the option to upgrade the HDD in the PS3, they failed to make it easy however. The minority that they cater to are so irrelevant, you as an individual with your ability to upgrade the PS3s HDD are irrelevant next to the sheer number of people who cannot or will not. No amount of bitching is going to change that fact.

You are right it is simple economics,  if given the choice alot of average consumers would take the time to learn how to put in a HDD if it could save them money.  An 120GB 2.5" HDD you can get for about $50-60,  so that would save you $60-70, over the Xbox 120GB, to learn how to swap out an HDD.   Especially when it only take a maximum of 15 minutes to do.  And I know that a phillips head screwdriver may look like an extremely sophisticated of a tool to use but I am sure they could figure it out.  

All you are doing is trying to defend Microsoft for making as much money off of the consumer as possible,  which is why my 360 doesnt will never get a HDD upgrade.

Then you should know that upgrade the Xbox 360 HDD PS3 style is only a little more complicated than upgrade the PS3 HDD. So why don't you buy a WD 120GB HDD and upgrade your Xbox 360?



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nightsurge on 04 June 2009
Squilliam said:
Vetteman94 said:
Squilliam said:

Its simple economics. If 20 different companies made the Wii, the price of the Wii would be the cost to manufacture the Wii + 5% overall margins. The Wii itself would probably cost no more than $125. However the Wii is more than the sum of its parts and Nintendo has a monopoly, only they can make the Wii. Sony gave you the option to upgrade the HDD in the PS3, they failed to make it easy however. The minority that they cater to are so irrelevant, you as an individual with your ability to upgrade the PS3s HDD are irrelevant next to the sheer number of people who cannot or will not. No amount of bitching is going to change that fact.

You are right it is simple economics,  if given the choice alot of average consumers would take the time to learn how to put in a HDD if it could save them money.  An 120GB 2.5" HDD you can get for about $50-60,  so that would save you $60-70, over the Xbox 120GB, to learn how to swap out an HDD.   Especially when it only take a maximum of 15 minutes to do.  And I know that a phillips head screwdriver may look like an extremely sophisticated of a tool to use but I am sure they could figure it out.  

All you are doing is trying to defend Microsoft for making as much money off of the consumer as possible,  which is why my 360 doesnt will never get a HDD upgrade.

Then you should know that upgrade the Xbox 360 HDD PS3 style is only a little more complicated than upgrade the PS3 HDD. So why don't you buy a WD 120GB HDD and upgrade your Xbox 360?

Also, you greatly overestimate the willingness of the average consumer to learn something that does not necessarily interest them.

He's not commending them for the practice and saying "Oh yes, take our money MS!" He is simply stating why MS did this and how it has benefited them with $$.



Munkeh111 on 04 June 2009

May I just point out, I am considering upgrading my PS3 HDD, despite no knowledge of how to do so, but not my Xbox, because the hard drives are just so ridiculously expensive



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nightsurge on 04 June 2009
Munkeh111 said:
May I just point out, I am considering upgrading my PS3 HDD, despite no knowledge of how to do so, but not my Xbox, because the hard drives are just so ridiculously expensive

There are other ways of upgrading your Xbox 360 hard drive as well.  The only difference between the two is like one extra step, a different screw driver needed, and MS doesn't put the procedure in their manual.

I'd also like to point out that you are not the average consumer.



Vetteman94 on 04 June 2009
nightsurge said:
Squilliam said:
Vetteman94 said:
Squilliam said:

Its simple economics. If 20 different companies made the Wii, the price of the Wii would be the cost to manufacture the Wii + 5% overall margins. The Wii itself would probably cost no more than $125. However the Wii is more than the sum of its parts and Nintendo has a monopoly, only they can make the Wii. Sony gave you the option to upgrade the HDD in the PS3, they failed to make it easy however. The minority that they cater to are so irrelevant, you as an individual with your ability to upgrade the PS3s HDD are irrelevant next to the sheer number of people who cannot or will not. No amount of bitching is going to change that fact.

You are right it is simple economics,  if given the choice alot of average consumers would take the time to learn how to put in a HDD if it could save them money.  An 120GB 2.5" HDD you can get for about $50-60,  so that would save you $60-70, over the Xbox 120GB, to learn how to swap out an HDD.   Especially when it only take a maximum of 15 minutes to do.  And I know that a phillips head screwdriver may look like an extremely sophisticated of a tool to use but I am sure they could figure it out.  

All you are doing is trying to defend Microsoft for making as much money off of the consumer as possible,  which is why my 360 doesnt will never get a HDD upgrade.

Then you should know that upgrade the Xbox 360 HDD PS3 style is only a little more complicated than upgrade the PS3 HDD. So why don't you buy a WD 120GB HDD and upgrade your Xbox 360?

Also, you greatly overestimate the willingness of the average consumer to learn something that does not necessarily interest them.

He's not commending them for the practice and saying "Oh yes, take our money MS!" He is simply stating why MS did this and how it has benefited them with $$.

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@ Squilliam

Well to be honest I didnt know that, until today, that it was just a 2.5" HDD.  And if it is almost as easy then i probably will, but wont I get banned from Xbox Live Gold for modding my 360??

@ Nightsurge

If the average consumer thinks about wanting more space and upgrading the HDD, then how to do it and the cost of it does interest them.  Which is the people we are talking about.   If the average consumer could save half of the money by upgrading the HDD by doing it themselves and all they have to do is use a screwdriver, I am sure they will do it.



Vetteman94 on 04 June 2009

What the hell happened, I typed a whole bunch of stuff and it dissappeared



nightsurge on 04 June 2009
Vetteman94 said:
What the hell happened, I typed a whole bunch of stuff and it dissappeared

Lol, maybe that's a good thing for me and Squilliam



Squilliam on 04 June 2009

http://www.pcworld.com/article/150970/upgrade_your_xbox_360s_hard_drive_on_the_cheap.html

Here you go.



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