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patjuan32 on 03 June 2009
justinian said:

I kinda agree with the article. The others have caught up or surpass the wii. It's one thing going for it is no longer unique.

MS has finally found a solution to rule the world. A "cctv" in the household that can recordrecognise your face and send the image to their databases. If the recent report of euro laws being pass to allow government officials to investigate the hard drive of any online PC ( this must be with MS's approval) are push through this year then be prepared for those images to end up in the governments database as well. Cool!

MS took nitendo's inovation (and PS2's eyetoy) and came up with a winning (e3) formula.
Kudos, if you are gonna copy something at least take it a step further.

Sony just copied Nintendo but announced some good games.

MS owned this E3 simply by creating a buzz. Brilliant.

The big loser will be/is Nintendo.

The problem with the controllers for Sony and Microsoft is that we do not know if they work as advertised. Their shows were little more than informercials that are used to sell their product and get marketing. We need to wait until we get more hands on impressions of the technology. We already have hands on impressions from Journalist like IGN  and others and also from developers at EA and Ubisoft to know that Wii motion plus works as advertised. In an article from a uK newspaper, posted on VGchartz, Microsoft stated that their demos were visions and the actual product may vary, meaning that it may work as well as demostrated or it may not. They've also hired Johnny Lee to make sure that what was demostrated on stage is actually how the product will eventually work. By hands on impressions we also know that Milo does not quite match what was demostrated on stage.

For Sony, there has been not hands on impressions of their controller. They say it is one to one but how do we know? Does the Eye Toy
Camera sense one to one movement? No. Then is there some sort of technology at work in the Wand? Yes. Then what is the technology and again how does it calculate one to one movements? There are so many questions for these new technologies that questions need to be ask before we proclaim them as the second coming. Also this is why good Journalism is dying. They sensationlize and then ask the pertinent questions later.



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KohlyKohl on 03 June 2009
.jayderyu said:
sigh,

I have now watched more than just one industry of interest to me over the years. Though with sites like VGCharts and the consistent market talk. I can honestly say that over the 3 years of paying attention to the market I can use that knowledge reflectively amongst the years in the numerous industries I like.

I'm not a business man or an analysts. I am an enthusiast. This article and the other are full of BS. They show a consistent lack of insight, knowledge, applied consumer behavior. They do show preference. They are enthusiast but in the vein of not successful business, but in trying encourage a preferred company.

I have looked at the N64 and said that will stomp the PS1, I said that the GC will finally over come the PS2 and XBox, I said that Earth Dawn will take the throne over D&D, I said that Heavy Gear will be bigger than Battle Tech, Jovian Chronicals will be the Americas Gundam, Tribe 8 will be the Apocalypse game. I was wrong. I was consistently wrong. When the Wii came I had my reservations. I wanted to hope that this was machine that would put Nintendo back to number one.

I get it now. I got it about two years ago. A successful product isn't a good product or a better product. A successful product fills the values of the consumer first. If a product doesn't fill the consumers primary values then a different product can take it's place. But if those values are filled then that product CANNOT be detrhoned. No matter how much it's better by. I get that you cannot play the winners game. They set the rules, they will set the rules against you. The only game you need to play is figuring out the consumers not the competitor products.

In such a light of understanding and placing such view of values in retrospects to all industries all games all mistaken "bets" I have made. I can see where I went wrong. I can also see the signs that will point to being right next time.

These articles are written to my old perceived notions of what makes a successful product. Being better, but that has historicly for hundreds if not thousands of years have proven to be consistently wrong.

Windows 1 was not better than Apples first GUI, Apple was designing theirs first. MS got theres out first. It was an inferior product. As much the same is true today. OSX is a better design, but that doesn't matter. Windows is already out. If the big sign saying that I HAVE ALREADY FILLED PEOPLES NEEDS cannot be read since the early days of home computing. What chance to so many article writers really have.

I from the point of an industry view have little respect for the media of either industry. I respect the creators and what they try to do. I don't respect when developers are half assed and whine about their incompetence. Blaming others is a sign of insecurity about your self. It's a redirection tactic. A redirection tactic that does unfortunetly still work.

I have respect for Natal because while it's still copying Nintendo in direction. It's not copying Nintendo in how. They have decided to try the Nintendo path there own way. Sony however is a direct cheapness. I'm glad they are trying to find improvments however.

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Final-Fan on 03 June 2009

As a "Nintendo fanboy" I'm sure he could tell me what Gamecube game Mario Sunshine was a "follow up" of and was a "relative flop" compared to.



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justinian on 03 June 2009
Soriku said:
justinian said:

I kinda agree with the article. The others have caught up or surpass the wii. It's one thing going for it is no longer unique.

MS has finally found a solution to rule the world. A "cctv" in the household that can recordrecognise your face and send the image to their databases. If the recent report of euro laws being pass to allow government officials to investigate the hard drive of any online PC ( this must be with MS's approval) are push through this year then be prepared for those images to end up in the governments database as well. Cool!

MS took nitendo's inovation (and PS2's eyetoy) and came up with a winning (e3) formula.
Kudos, if you are gonna copy something at least take it a step further.

Sony just copied Nintendo but announced some good games.

MS owned this E3 simply by creating a buzz. Brilliant.

The big loser will be/is Nintendo.


Are you serious? They didn't even show any games with it. And it's not like it's going to support many big games, and it's bound to be expensive. I don't get the hype for NATAL if we don't know jack about it and what games it'll support.

Big loser is Nintendo? That's laughable.

Here we go again. I have already cleared this up (more or less) in a reply earlier but just to be sure I'll do it again. Remember we are talking 

about E3. I can't predict the future any more than you can (although I like to think I can).

Creating a media buzz is what wins E3 regardless of what the individual thinks or their personal opinion. Natal is all over the internet 

and the press. This is the kind of coverage that can attract interest and increase sales, but that's another matter.

It doesn't matter what games they show or whatevever. The average person picking up a newspaper or seeing it on TV don't care about that.

They see or read about something that's "new" to gaming.

If you create no massive buzz or fail to get the mainstream multi-console gaming magazines and website talking about what you produced  at E3 (or get a mention after everyone else) you loose.

From what I have gathered Nintendo failed to do this. Even Sony gets more of a mention with their copycat controller.

Remember, I am talking nintendo at E3. Not Nintendo the overall business.

 



Bladeforce on 03 June 2009

quick question, does natal work with bushy beards or will it think when you are sticking your tongue out that you're in a porn movie? LOL



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Final-Fan on 03 June 2009
nordlead said:
quick, someone tell me what the followup game to Super Mario Sunshine was, cause I didn't see any other real Mario platformers on the system.

My guess is that he's thinking of Luigi's Mansion ... which sold like half as much. 



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mike_intellivision on 03 June 2009
Final-Fan said:
nordlead said:
quick, someone tell me what the followup game to Super Mario Sunshine was, cause I didn't see any other real Mario platformers on the system.

My guess is that he's thinking of Luigi's Mansion ... which sold like half as much. 

Luigi's Mansion was a launch title. Sunshine came AFTER it.

 

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Final-Fan on 03 June 2009
TruckOSaurus said:

...what's noteworthy is that Nintendo has only had one successful Mario game per platform since the breakthrough success of Super Mario Bros. 3 on the NES -- follow ups like Mario Sunshine have been relative flops.

This sentence makes no sense. First Yoshi's Island on SNES was a success. Mario Sunshine is the only Mario on Gamecube and it sold more than 6 million copies on a 22 million install base.

Well, you'll notice that "relative" allows him to compare Yoshi's Island's numbers to those of SMW and find them wanting. 



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Final-Fan on 03 June 2009
mike_intellivision said:
Final-Fan said:
nordlead said:
quick, someone tell me what the followup game to Super Mario Sunshine was, cause I didn't see any other real Mario platformers on the system.
My guess is that he's thinking of Luigi's Mansion ... which sold like half as much.
Luigi's Mansion was a launch title. Sunshine came AFTER it.

Mike from Morgantown

Exactly, that's why he's an idiot ... but that's the only Gamecube game that Sunshine could conceivably be a "follow up" of. 

[edit:  nordlead's post leaves some room for confusion, but the article does not:  "follow ups like Mario Sunshine have been relative flops."]



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TruckOSaurus on 03 June 2009
Final-Fan said:
TruckOSaurus said:

...what's noteworthy is that Nintendo has only had one successful Mario game per platform since the breakthrough success of Super Mario Bros. 3 on the NES -- follow ups like Mario Sunshine have been relative flops.

This sentence makes no sense. First Yoshi's Island on SNES was a success. Mario Sunshine is the only Mario on Gamecube and it sold more than 6 million copies on a 22 million install base.

Well, you'll notice that "relative" allows him to compare Yoshi's Island's numbers to those of SMW and find them wanting. 

But then Super Mario Bros. 3 isn't a breakthrough success anymore since it sold much less than the original SMB.



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