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I thought it was a good show by all developers, but I'm only really excited for the games that are sequals to ones I've already played, other than TWO: Alan Wake and Heavy Rain. And you know what? Alan Wake is described as "Silent Hill and Myst had a baby," and Heavy Rain is the "spiritual successor to Indigo Prophecy".

Originality is dead...





...oh, wait... Natal looked fucking awesome.



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txrattlesnake said:
mibuokami said:
txrattlesnake said:
I had both Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2. And, I'm not speaking as a PS3 fan here. I am looking at Halo from the perspective of someone whom has a long history of observing and even degrees in media studies and Halo is losing its thunder.

Can you elaborate on your finding on the decline of the Halo brand?

Lets have a look at the fact:

Last Halo FPS is the highest selling ever in the franchise

Halo branded RTS becomes the highest selling RTS in console history

It continues to sell more copy per week than both Gears 2 and Killzone 2; two games you claim are 'superior' to Halo 3

Microsoft has just announced Reach without ODST even being released, its easily expected to be the top selling exclusive for the 360 this holiday with the only game that has a chance against it being Modern Warfare 2 and Forza 3, proving that they still believe the franchise is marketable at a lucrative level; it is merely an expansion!! ODST is like GT5P; not a complete game!

Halo ALWAYS rank as one of the top 5 games played for Live on a weekly basis

Where is the logic?


      The last Halo sold so many copies because it was only one of two reasons that people bought the system.  However, since that time many better games have come to the 360 including the likes of further games in the Gears series, Fallout 3, Bioshock, and Modern Warfare. Superior games reduce the importance of games in an  older series that aren't considered to be as good.

Except Halo 3 still outsells all of those games on a weekly basis, and it is still the most played game on Live.



txrattlesnake said:
mibuokami said:
txrattlesnake said:
I had both Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2. And, I'm not speaking as a PS3 fan here. I am looking at Halo from the perspective of someone whom has a long history of observing and even degrees in media studies and Halo is losing its thunder.

Can you elaborate on your finding on the decline of the Halo brand?

Lets have a look at the fact:

Last Halo FPS is the highest selling ever in the franchise

Halo branded RTS becomes the highest selling RTS in console history

It continues to sell more copy per week than both Gears 2 and Killzone 2; two games you claim are 'superior' to Halo 3

Microsoft has just announced Reach without ODST even being released, its easily expected to be the top selling exclusive for the 360 this holiday with the only game that has a chance against it being Modern Warfare 2 and Forza 3, proving that they still believe the franchise is marketable at a lucrative level; it is merely an expansion!! ODST is like GT5P; not a complete game!

Halo ALWAYS rank as one of the top 5 games played for Live on a weekly basis

Where is the logic?


      The last Halo sold so many copies because it was only one of two reasons that people bought the system.  However, since that time many better games have come to the 360 including the likes of further games in the Gears series, Fallout 3, Bioshock, and Modern Warfare. Superior games reduce the importance of games in an  older series that aren't considered to be as good.

     Then Halo 3 was advertised as being the final Halo game.  Usually when producers cave in to the demands of the fans and give more installments in such cases franchises tend to go into a decline.

     Modern Warfare 2 (which isn't exclusive) should easily have better sales on 360 than Halo:  ODST as the Call of Duty games are now considered to be better and more popular games than the post Halo 3 Halo games.

     Prologue wasn't an expansion.  It was a demo.  Neither expansions or demos tend to sell as well as original products.

     Even Mario went through a few rough years there.  And as not being part of any real coherent story he had a much easier time making a comeback than a game in a series that is beginning to veer so far off its already established path which was Master Chief and Cortana.  

Your argument doesnt hold water with Halo 3 outselling Gears 2 and Killzone 2 this past month.  You may not like Halo or may not want to like Halo because it comes from Microsoft, but the success and continued success is fact and will continue to be fact as long as the high production values are upheld.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

txrattlesnake said:
mibuokami said:
txrattlesnake said:
I had both Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2. And, I'm not speaking as a PS3 fan here. I am looking at Halo from the perspective of someone whom has a long history of observing and even degrees in media studies and Halo is losing its thunder.

Can you elaborate on your finding on the decline of the Halo brand?

Lets have a look at the fact:

Last Halo FPS is the highest selling ever in the franchise

Halo branded RTS becomes the highest selling RTS in console history

It continues to sell more copy per week than both Gears 2 and Killzone 2; two games you claim are 'superior' to Halo 3

Microsoft has just announced Reach without ODST even being released, its easily expected to be the top selling exclusive for the 360 this holiday with the only game that has a chance against it being Modern Warfare 2 and Forza 3, proving that they still believe the franchise is marketable at a lucrative level; it is merely an expansion!! ODST is like GT5P; not a complete game!

Halo ALWAYS rank as one of the top 5 games played for Live on a weekly basis

Where is the logic?


      The last Halo sold so many copies because it was only one of two reasons that people bought the system.  However, since that time many better games have come to the 360 including the likes of further games in the Gears series, Fallout 3, Bioshock, and Modern Warfare. Superior games reduce the importance of games in an  older series that aren't considered to be as good.

     Then Halo 3 was advertised as being the final Halo game.  Usually when producers cave in to the demands of the fans and give more installments in such cases franchises tend to go into a decline.

     Modern Warfare 2 (which isn't exclusive) should easily have better sales on 360 than Halo:  ODST as the Call of Duty games are now considered to be better and more popular games than the post Halo 3 Halo games.

     Prologue wasn't an expansion.  It was a demo.  Neither expansions or demos tend to sell as well as original products.

     Even Mario went through a few rough years there.  And as not being part of any real coherent story he had a much easier time making a comeback than a game in a series that is beginning to veer so far off its already established path which was Master Chief and Cortana.  


Either your logic or the way you worded it has lost me here...  "The last Halo" sold so many because it was the reason people bought 360...  "Then Halo 3" was advertised as being the last one...  (The last Halo and Halo 3 are the same game, mind you, and the only one on the 360), and well after the NEXT Halo being announced, and 3 ending with a teaser for Marathon, starring Master Chief, and now more games announced, Halo 3 is STILL selling stronger than all the games you've mentioned.  The friggin' thing is selling gangbusters, and they've kept it fresh with new maps.  I could see you speculating it running its course...  But I just cant' see anything in your posts that supports that argument in a meaningful way.



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Well I was gonna say something but the last three poster stole my argument #_#




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mibuokami said:
Well I was gonna say something but the last three poster stole my argument #_#


Don't feel bad...  I'm posting from work, so in the time it took me to write my post, there were two others that had already said everything I wanted to say.



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TheSteve said:
mibuokami said:
Well I was gonna say something but the last three poster stole my argument #_#


Don't feel bad...  I'm posting from work, so in the time it took me to write my post, there were two others that had already said everything I wanted to say.

Heh, its just too simple I guess, everyone with sense can see that the logic




I haven't been able to find it again, but a month or so ago IGN had one of their Top Ten or Twenty series where they listed the Top Twenty or so series that have lost steam in gaming and the picture right beside the article was Master Chief, so I know Halo made IGN's list of video game series that have lost steam even though I haven't been able to find that article again.



txrattlesnake said:
I haven't been able to find it again, but a month or so ago IGN had one of their Top Ten or Twenty series where they listed the Top Twenty or so series that have lost steam in gaming and the picture right beside the article was Master Chief, so I know Halo made IGN's list of video game series that have lost steam even though I haven't been able to find that article again.


Too bad...  If you could find it, you could post their reasoning, and then we could actually have a discussion about it.  I guess if your logic is based on being "someone whom has a long history of observing and even degrees in media studies" who saw a picture next to a title on a blog on a site one time, but can't find it, I can't really argue with you.



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I guess we'll just have to wait until September 22 to discuss it some more then.