@selnor.
Cheaper by ~£5.
The cost of Forza 2 DLC, with around 15 cars in each (i think) are 240 + 400 MS points respectively.
Basicly, if they do the same method as that, which MS will make them do... you will probably have to spend a LOT of money on DLC... if you want as much cars + content as GT5.

The other 2 points are opinion. So there is no point in arguing about them.

What is the grading criteria? Also, why is this being discussed before a person can see in game video from both games?

Fair point. But I've enjoyed PGR3, PGR4, Forza 2 and now Forza 3 all before GT5 has even shown gameplay. I'll take that any day. GT5 still maybe 12-18 months away. Thats not acceptable for same level of graphics and 50 versions of Skylines and Evos.

@ selnor.

I agree with you that its taking the piss on release.
But the amount of content and cars in it, even if there is 50 Skylines, will be worth the wait.

@selnor

your saying things like Forza 3 will sell between 7 - 10 million......please edit them for your sake!

Forza 2 was bundled....2 million copies were sold bundled. Hopw will a game from 2 millon RAW sales go to 7 - 10 million???

or even 4 million then if we count the bundles......just wow @ your expectations

Turn 10 will be counting their lucky stars that PD are being so slow with GT5 because with the amount of cars and additions GT5 has such as Nascar and Forza 3 would have stood no chance head to head.

GT Portable has more tracks and cars than Forza 3 so yeah good going Turn 10 getting this game out early. That said NFS: Shift, Dirt 2 and Forza 3 all within 2 months I think is going to have to change.

@RPg

if by chance GT5 does release in dec 09

Forza 3 will sell below 2 million imo

Did you see the trailer darth? Goodness 50 seconds was all it took and every other racing sim was overshadowed. People were not expecting WRC and Nascar and meh damage which I will turn off anyway.

GT5 has nascar, F1, rally, car damage and the psp version has mora cars than forza, now how many do you think can fit in a Bluray?

Just something came into my mind.

Turn 10 said the Forza 3 cars polygon count is 10 times Forza 2 for each car.
Rumored that Forza 2 had around 100,000 polygon per car.

Simple math says Forza 3 cars will have average around 1 million polygons per car while GT5P only average 200,000 per car.

Now 8 cars x 1 million + tracks and stuff, it easily exceeds 10 millions polygons per race.

If GT5P's 70 cars @ 200k polygons each and the 5 tracks + physics/sound data needed 5GB of space, how is it possible to fit 400 cars at 1 million polygons per car (kind of equal to 2000 GT5P cars) and 100 tracks (let say around 35 unique tracks) + physics/sound data in 1 single DVD?

That's with my assumption that they don't split up the cars and tracks into 2 DVDs to avoid disc-swapping in the middle of car picking.

I wonder how would they manage to keep the core game/modes in 1 DVD with all the cars and tracks.