1.) Both your ignorance and arrogance are shining brightly. There is not much I can say if you don't even bother to look at a thread that will explain to you why you're wrong.  

2.) The 3D party technologies which Microsoft is using have been proven to work and 3D cameras are nothing new, they are just expensive. So yes, what they claim is very much possible.

3.) Matter of opinion

4.) So you're calling Nintendo a liar? You're saying they are fooling everyone by advertising a fake 1:1 motion detection device and your proof is a video?

5.) So you're saying Sony's technology is more accurate based on a video which could have been rehearsed to death and back? Wait until the damn product is out before making claims on something you've never used.

6.) A 40 dollars wand for 4 people is 160 dollars. One Natal can be used by many people at once. You are not being forced to buy the addon, it is just there (much like the wii fit)

7.) No, you are far from being as informed as me. If you were, you wouldn't be making such posts that just ends up making you look more and more ignorant.

So I'm ignorant and arrogant huh? Says the guy who called me names on both replies to me......yeah tells a lot about your character sir. I'm done conving with you, I did not read your reply and would put you on ignore if this forum supported such a function. Please do not reply to any other posts of mine that you see on this site. Thanks and have a good day.

I checked all three evolutions of controllers and even though they were impressive, WM+ is by far the better of the three. In sony's Eye camera with the wand and on NATAL I found many problems in terms of game design and gaming experience

NATAL:

Microsoft made one step forward and three steps back with this technology, and even though it's impressive, it fails to be a competent input device on it's own for gaming. The step forward it took was with the camera technology and it's capabilities to track different movements by different people and reacts accordigly, this step in technology is forward by reuniting different people to play a game with just one input device for the console: the camera itself.

The first step back is that by removing the controller from the player's hands, it actually disconnects from the game more than with a standard controller, because thhe number of outputs from teh system to the player is reduced to just audio and video. With a standard controller, when you crash in a racing game, your controller shakes and the amplitude of that motion depends on the force of the impact, you know, besides seeing the OMG scene and hearing the sounds of metal becoming scrap, you feel how hard that hit was. With Natal, you only see and hear, not feel.

A simple solution will be having peripherals that will deliver that rumble feedback to the player, these peripherals will differ depending on the game in otder to feel more immersive to the game (racket for tennis, wheel for racing, etc). However, by having these extension, the concept of hand-free playing is nullified, and will seem much more similar to Sony's solution for motion, only with cheaper peripherals and a more expensive camera. This is the second step back. Now, if this peripheral is made (i.e. a glove --put power glove joke here--), what should give the rumble commands to the feedback devive? The Camera, it will increase it's cost; so the solution will be the console, and that means you have two devices: one that serves as input and one as output. That's the third step back

Under this analysis, even thought the technology is the most advanced of the three it comes last place as a capable gaming input device

PS EYE + MOTION CONTROLLERS

I watched the demos during the conference and it impressed me with the real time 1:1 response that is faster than WM+. the augmented reality to add a virtual add-on to the controller is also interesting. A step in the right direction far better than Microsoft, however, they have a very long way to go, because it's the technology that is way behind Natal. They did the right thing by keeping a controller in the gamer's hands, that way a feedback can be given to the pleyer in the form of rumble -and audio if they manage to copy from the wii remote- when an action is performed.

The first issue I see is that the "ball" in teh controller (will be replaced in the future) acts as a reference to the camera to locate the controller's position in space, so in that you can tell that the accelerometer technology is behind SIXAXIS to have it cheap. Only tilt sensors (gyroscopes) are used to detect the controller's rotation whle teh position is detected by the camera itself, so you can hide the refenrence to teh camera and teh controller is as good as a plastic stick.

The solution will mean to have accelerometers or ultra sonic sensors to pintpoit the location of the controller besides the camera, that could be in the same controller on in the extension that it will have. However, this will rener the camera useless and relegated only as a simple expensive eye toy and teh controller will look very similar to the Wii remote+nunchuck. This is the problem I see that Sony needs to resolve and that takes more time that the development of the technology.

Besides, as it is now, you have two input devices and one serves in extra feedback to the player, is not integrated

Wii MOTION+

The Wii sensor bar is not an putput device, it only receives energy from teh console. So you can replace it woth two candles or any sensor bar with infrared emmiters and batteries. and games like Mario Kart does not use the IR in a race. The technology resides entirelly on the Wii-remote.

With the Wii remote you have one input device that delivers feedback to the player in rumble and the added speaker that deliver sounds that are not in your TV or audio system. The nunchuck and the WiiMotion+ are just extension that makes teh remote a fully integrated input device that to the Wii it's still one and one only.

WM+ adds not just more presition to the movement, but more responsiveness and more accurate position placement that reduces the sensor bar to just a reference to point at the tv screen.

CONCLUSION:

Even though in sense of technology NATAL>PSEYE + MOTION CONTROLS>WM+ in actual gaming applications as integrated systems

1. WM+ => done right and ready for production on almost any kind of game

2. PSEye + Motion => good concepts but with many, many roadblocks

3. NATAL => It will be far more successful in PC applicactions than in actual gaming

The Wiimote & Nunchuck is the combination of conventional controls, motion controlls, and an IR screen-pointing interface. After using the controls for almost 3 years I have come to the conclusion that the control system works best when you map an action to the simplest, most expressive and most intuitive control scheme needed to perform the action. Even if you include the Wii Fit balance board into the mix, the analogue stick and D-Pad are superior controls for moving you character around the world because they're simpler, more intuitive, and more expressive than walking in place.

While the motion controls on the Wiimote and Nunchuck do allow for more intuitive and expressive controlls than buttons alone, and games that demonstrate this really shine. At the same time, the lack of precision of the Wiimote has limited its use in many ways to big motions which are only as expressive as a button press and are barely more intuitive. Nintendo (seems to) have realized this a couple of years ago, and will soon be releasing the Wii MotionPlus which should enable games to have more motion controlls which are simpler, more intuitive and more expressive than Wii games currently have; and the Wii MotionPlus is already receiving decent support and will (almost certainly) sell well because it is bundled with several games which will (almost certainly) sell well.

Now, I'm not convinced that Sony or Microsoft's new control methods lead to simpler, more intuitive, or more expressive controls than will (soon) be available with the Wii Motion plus; and without an effective way to combine conventional controlls with new control schemes makes me doubt that these devices can really be used for as complicated of games as can be done with the Wiimote and Nunchuck. Essentially, Red Steel 2 seems to be a game that is fairly complicated in the number and complexity of the controlls that are available ... Can anyone explain how you could play Red Steel 2 using any of the controllers available for Nintendo's competition without making the control scheme more complicated, less intuitive, and without losing the expressiveness of the controlls?

Actually sonys has voice as well :p the ps eye also has a mic.

yeah have fun saying pew pew pew everytime you shoot something in a game.

well i hope sony will be giving it some support with for instance, allowing dual setup in atleast their exclusives. So if you have a dualshock you'll play it normally but if you have the wand and the cam, you'll be able to play it with motion controls :p

Read your thread, and it was an interesting read. Though I don't see how the original poster of this thread is ignorant. We all saw with our eyes that it wasn't quite matching your body's movements. But again, this is a minor problem. If I'm playing say a baseball game, and it projects the angle of my swing accurately so that I hit the ball when I'm supposed to, that's all that matters. And in the demo, with the girl, she seemed to hit the red balls accurately. Though it was hard to tell. She was moving too fast, and it was obvious the character on screen wasn't keep up. Again, it's a minor problem, but isn't one of the selling points of Natal is that what you do, the character mimics exactly?

I think you're looking at this wrong. You're impressed with the technology involved (Which is rather impressive) and not looking at it from the gaming perspective. Would the casual gamer be impressed by this? Would any worthwhile game be made for it to help sell more consoles? These are valid questions, ones that will get answers soon.

Again, don't look at the technology involved. Look at how that technology is applied. Doing so, I believe the original poster isn't so 'ignorant' afterall.

I think Nintendo has this market and they both need to save their technologies for next gen. Nintendo has too much of a market on this and without a serious inovation no one is going to take it away from them.

I'll admit the tech demo's are nice. I think Sony's was only in prototype form so I wouldn't be certain that there are features not yet implemented.

You can find a hands on demo impressions of Natal on IGN. It doesnt mention Milo, but Milo in reality is a Proof of Concept on using Natal's abilities.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/989/989269p1.html