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Squall_Leonhart on 01 June 2009

Isn't this basically what i have sitting ontop of my TV... The PSeye but from MS...



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dahuman on 01 June 2009
ramses01 said:
dahuman said:
heruamon said:
Natal is the beginning of the technology on the Xbox...So many of you people are freaking blind...it's for casual gamers...blah blah blah...that's like the famous quote...why would you ever need more than 640 KB of memory. M$ spend a TON of money on this in R&D, and some of us have been trying to point that out from their financial reports. This tech will really come into it's own for the next console, but in THIS console it's a great frist step to show how the tech can be integrated into gaming. People have to remember that M$ is an iterative company...boring, but iterative.

well, I wanna see the next one, this one isn't impressing me.


I fail understand how anyone can't be impressed by this.  The implications of this are unreal.  At this point, Sony and Nintendo might as well cancel their press conferences.  MS just owned.  If you take the 10 biggest megatons of all time combined and compare that to this, it would be like comparing a candle to a hydrogen bomb.  Given we knew the controller was coming, but the way they used it was unbelievable.

really? I just saw it as an improved motion capture camera with a mic built in, I can see the advances but I can also see some down sides to it, it's just standard analogy for me. if anything, it's up to the devs to see how well they can work with this piece of hardware, after looking at the way Wiimote worked in the begining of the Wii life span, I'm not so confident that devs can make mind blowing games on this particular device any time soon.



PostModGuru on 01 June 2009
dahuman said:
PostModGuru said:
dahuman said:
nightsurge said:
Seriously, people... this is not meant to be a device for controlling FPS type games... but who knows, they have a wide and open future where they could make it compatible.

This is directly targeting the Wii, casuals, and the 60% of families in the US alone that do not own a console. As they stated, the controller is a barrier because it is a piece of technology that can potentially turn off many individuals. Pushing buttons to get actions on screen is not always the easiest thing to get used to. What this does is remove the need for a controller so that everyone can participate in it's games. All you need is your life experience and the ability to move.

This is about bringing in the people who don't even have a Wii because the notion of a controller at all is intimidating to them. If you think these people don't exist, you are naive and are clouded by the fact that you do know how to game on a controller. You grew up with this and learned on this, but for many many more that is not the case.

I can't say if I will buy it just yet as they don't have many details released, but from the games they did show, and from the potential I can see for this device, I am definitely interested!

the only thing that I can see it being really cool to use for is, well, for the GUI on the 360, move your hand with a pointer tracker like a mouse and voice activate commands. very intuitive for the menus, but for games, would be some hard design choices for sure, it's not exactly a new concept no matter how good the tech is, my hype lvl for this thing is just wayyyyy too low.


You don't have much of an imagination for being dahuman.  I can imagine all sorts of applications especially non-gaming.  This device could be used for a variety of applications from practicing a virtual instruments to excercise.  Very general I know, but the real ramifications are how this evolves gaming controls as a whole.  If you are ready for virtual 3d imersive games then get ready, because I believe that this is the first step to reaching that goal.  Can you name one device that actually reacts in real time to the 3d movements of your entire body?  I don't know about you guys, but if you want to play with a controller in your hand the rest of your life then have at it, but i could not welcome 3d virtual gaming fast enough.  This looks like the first big step in that direction, and regardless of what console/s you own you should embrace this technology and get ready for the future.

it's just a device, the reaction is done from software, i see a lot of disaster coming in just like the start of the Wiimote, devs are only starting to somewhat get the Wiimote right after 2-3 years, I'm just being realistic, it's not so much about imagination.

Something tells me you either didn't watch the presetation by Spielberg and Molyneux or you don't really know what you are talking about or both.  Spielbergo said something like "you reinvented the wheel by getting rid of it all together."  I know it is kind of vague, but what he was saying is that they changed the entire direction of evolution of controls for gaming.  Now right off it is impossible to say how far this will go, but judging by the distance Peter Molyneux took it just for the Milo presentation, it looks to have lots of potential.  What I saw was pretty close to real time interaction with an AI being which is a start toward development for Virtual Reality control.  With development from Molyneux there could be some fruit real soon on the tree, and it also looked like this is what Spielberg was waiting for the really get into development.  We will see if this really is the beginning of next generation control...



 

 

 

famousringo on 01 June 2009
Squall_Leonhart said:
Isn't this basically what i have sitting ontop of my TV... The PSeye but from MS...

There are some similarities, and there are some differences.

Think of this as a PSEye which can see in the dark, see depth, and hear the player(s).



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IllegalPaladin on 01 June 2009
NJ5 said:
Killzowned said:
Anyone else think it's funny how the Wii fans are saying that the 360's motion control is a 'novelty' and a 'gimmick,' whilst hastily shout down anyone who makes the same accusation against their console?

I don't think it's nearly as funny as you seem to think.

The Wii Remote allows you to play any kind of game, with some added elements that developers can choose whether or not to implement. On top of that it has spawned a few new genres. I see this Natal thing able to do the latter (maybe), but it certainly won't do the former.

Can you possibly say how a FPS (not on-rails), TPS, RPG or action game would work with this? Even racing games look likely to be dumbed down under this system, not to mention it probably makes the "tired arms" syndrome of some badly designed Wii games even worse.

 

I'm thinking it could be interesting to see it work in tandem with a controller. Perhaps moving your head slightly in a direction will move the camera in game or something.



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dahuman on 01 June 2009
PostModGuru said:
dahuman said:
PostModGuru said:
dahuman said:
nightsurge said:
Seriously, people... this is not meant to be a device for controlling FPS type games... but who knows, they have a wide and open future where they could make it compatible.

This is directly targeting the Wii, casuals, and the 60% of families in the US alone that do not own a console. As they stated, the controller is a barrier because it is a piece of technology that can potentially turn off many individuals. Pushing buttons to get actions on screen is not always the easiest thing to get used to. What this does is remove the need for a controller so that everyone can participate in it's games. All you need is your life experience and the ability to move.

This is about bringing in the people who don't even have a Wii because the notion of a controller at all is intimidating to them. If you think these people don't exist, you are naive and are clouded by the fact that you do know how to game on a controller. You grew up with this and learned on this, but for many many more that is not the case.

I can't say if I will buy it just yet as they don't have many details released, but from the games they did show, and from the potential I can see for this device, I am definitely interested!

the only thing that I can see it being really cool to use for is, well, for the GUI on the 360, move your hand with a pointer tracker like a mouse and voice activate commands. very intuitive for the menus, but for games, would be some hard design choices for sure, it's not exactly a new concept no matter how good the tech is, my hype lvl for this thing is just wayyyyy too low.


You don't have much of an imagination for being dahuman.  I can imagine all sorts of applications especially non-gaming.  This device could be used for a variety of applications from practicing a virtual instruments to excercise.  Very general I know, but the real ramifications are how this evolves gaming controls as a whole.  If you are ready for virtual 3d imersive games then get ready, because I believe that this is the first step to reaching that goal.  Can you name one device that actually reacts in real time to the 3d movements of your entire body?  I don't know about you guys, but if you want to play with a controller in your hand the rest of your life then have at it, but i could not welcome 3d virtual gaming fast enough.  This looks like the first big step in that direction, and regardless of what console/s you own you should embrace this technology and get ready for the future.

it's just a device, the reaction is done from software, i see a lot of disaster coming in just like the start of the Wiimote, devs are only starting to somewhat get the Wiimote right after 2-3 years, I'm just being realistic, it's not so much about imagination.

Something tells me you either didn't watch the presetation by Spielberg and Molyneux or you don't really know what you are talking about or both.  Spielbergo said something like "you reinvented the wheel by getting rid of it all together."  I know it is kind of vague, but what he was saying is that they changed the entire direction of evolution of controls for gaming.  Now right off it is impossible to say how far this will go, but judging by the distance Peter Molyneux took it just for the Milo presentation, it looks to have lots of potential.  What I saw was pretty close to real time interaction with an AI being which is a start toward development for Virtual Reality control.  With development from Molyneux there could be some fruit real soon on the tree, and it also looked like this is what Spielberg was waiting for the really get into development.  We will see if this really is the beginning of next generation control...

I saw 2 guys talking, 1 didn't show anything, the other showed a virtual boy pet and I was scratching my head. I mean, if the devs can nail it, awesome, I'm simply not impressed by the tech.



shock182 on 01 June 2009

I would still grab this day 1 if it was not even intended for gaming at all. The coolness factor of having total control of your entertainment hub (movies, music, tv, ect..) with voice and gesture.
I am sure a lot of developers will implement partial use of this in the FPS/Action genera... I can tell you this, it will be a whole lot more fun having to reach out and set rig the explosives with this thing that cocking the D-shock from side to side.

Here is what got me...

My wife walked in when this was on TV and stopped, stared at the demo, said that thing is cool, we should get it (btw she hates video games)



Bobbuffalo on 01 June 2009

This thing won't make a dent in the wii's armor. If you tthink that the so called "casuals" would flock to the xbox360 for that expensive camera sorry but that's not going to happen. Besides this is not competing AT ALL with the wiimote, it is competing against the Eyetoy.

With that said, it looks pretty interesting. But until I see a game using I would give a more proper opinion.

I think that the MGS announcement was the best of MS conference.



1337 Gamer on 01 June 2009
nightsurge said:
Seriously, people... this is not meant to be a device for controlling FPS type games... but who knows, they have a wide and open future where they could make it compatible.

This is directly targeting the Wii, casuals, and the 60% of families in the US alone that do not own a console. As they stated, the controller is a barrier because it is a piece of technology that can potentially turn off many individuals. Pushing buttons to get actions on screen is not always the easiest thing to get used to. What this does is remove the need for a controller so that everyone can participate in it's games. All you need is your life experience and the ability to move.

This is about bringing in the people who don't even have a Wii because the notion of a controller at all is intimidating to them. If you think these people don't exist, you are naive and are clouded by the fact that you do know how to game on a controller. You grew up with this and learned on this, but for many many more that is not the case.

I can't say if I will buy it just yet as they don't have many details released, but from the games they did show, and from the potential I can see for this device, I am definitely interested!


this i never said i was going to definatly buy it but i am really excited about what this technology is capable of. Everyone here seems to be really negative towards it but we have yet to see how awesome this technlogy will be. Lets wait to reserve judgement until we see more of it but the technology and the potential are the SHIZNIT!!! Oh and as far as WM+ this goes above and beyond that. 1:1 control should have been in the wii from the beginning and isnt that much different than what you can do on the wii now.



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yo_john117 on 01 June 2009

i was really skeptical when i first heard rumors of this, but after watching what they could do with it i'm impressed.  This could be really really cool...then again it could turn out to be a disaster.  My moneys on it being successfull though.