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MaxwellGT2000 on 30 May 2009
txrattlesnake said:
hsrob said:
txrattlesnake said:
Mojo said:
The developers may be content with sales of 500k but it's obvious they were /expecting/hoping they would be significantly higher. I still can't figure out how some of these games sell so poorly. The have now sold over 50 million consoles. That means for a game to sell 500k they are only being bought by 1% of the Wii market. Those numbers are terrible.


     This is a good post.  Actually, No More Heroes with a Metacritic score of 86 has sold less 1/100th of the sales of Wii Sports with a Metacritic score of 76.  This is indicative that either the blue ocean gamers don't pick up core games in traditional genres or  that the Wii's audience for some huge reason doesn't appreciate M games so companies shouldn't put them there if they want to profit from them. 

No More Heroes has a Meta score of 83.

No More Heroes is getting a sequel, why?  NMH is a traditional game now?

You compare it to the highest selling game of all time which dwarfs sales of most games. 

I thought Wii Sports sales don't count because it's a pack in.

You conveniently failed to address any of the posts pointing out that the guy you quote in the OP has never made a game for the Wii and is not talking about Wii games.

If you are going to try to make a point you could try to get your facts straight or at the very least acknowledge when you have made an error.  Otherwise this is just ANOTHER, hardcore games don't sell on the Wii thread.  You think core games shouldn't be made for the Wii but the list of developers who disagree with you is growing now on a daily basis.

 

 

No More Heroes has a meta score of 85

*noticed your stealth edit cause you're wrong*


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donathos on 30 May 2009

Alright, lemme see if I understand...

You've quoted a guy who isn't talking about the Wii at all.  In order to prove a point about how other developers feel about sales of their games on the Wii like, for instance, Suda 51.  Despite the fact that, according to what I've heard, Suda 51 was in fact pleased about the sales of NMH.  And NMH is getting a sequel.  And also despite the fact that you seem to be misconstruing the very thing you've quoted:  this isn't a guy lamenting poor sales; it's a guy explaining how aiming for huge sales hasn't been the driving force behind his previous games.

Of course everyone would like a bajillion-seller.  But that doesn't mean that some people don't have more modest goals, or can't be satisfied with more moderate success.



txrattlesnake on 30 May 2009
donathos said:

Alright, lemme see if I understand...

You've quoted a guy who isn't talking about the Wii at all.  In order to prove a point about how other developers feel about sales of their games on the Wii like, for instance, Suda 51.  Despite the fact that, according to what I've heard, Suda 51 was in fact pleased about the sales of NMH.  And NMH is getting a sequel.  And also despite the fact that you seem to be misconstruing the very thing you've quoted:  this isn't a guy lamenting poor sales; it's a guy explaining how aiming for huge sales hasn't been the driving force behind his previous games.

Of course everyone would like a bajillion-seller.  But that doesn't mean that some people don't have more modest goals, or can't be satisfied with more moderate success.


     If Suda 51 was entirely pleased with the sales of his games on Wii, then I don't think he would be developing a PS3 game right now.



MaxwellGT2000 on 30 May 2009
txrattlesnake said:
donathos said:

Alright, lemme see if I understand...

You've quoted a guy who isn't talking about the Wii at all.  In order to prove a point about how other developers feel about sales of their games on the Wii like, for instance, Suda 51.  Despite the fact that, according to what I've heard, Suda 51 was in fact pleased about the sales of NMH.  And NMH is getting a sequel.  And also despite the fact that you seem to be misconstruing the very thing you've quoted:  this isn't a guy lamenting poor sales; it's a guy explaining how aiming for huge sales hasn't been the driving force behind his previous games.

Of course everyone would like a bajillion-seller.  But that doesn't mean that some people don't have more modest goals, or can't be satisfied with more moderate success.


     If Suda 51 was entirely pleased with the sales of his games on Wii, then I don't think he would be developing a PS3 game right now.

You say games like there's more then one, and you say PS3 like it's exclusive... it's a partnership with EA... >_>  at first I thought you were just misinformed now it's quite certain this is a troll account.



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donathos on 30 May 2009
txrattlesnake said:
donathos said:

Alright, lemme see if I understand...

You've quoted a guy who isn't talking about the Wii at all.  In order to prove a point about how other developers feel about sales of their games on the Wii like, for instance, Suda 51.  Despite the fact that, according to what I've heard, Suda 51 was in fact pleased about the sales of NMH.  And NMH is getting a sequel.  And also despite the fact that you seem to be misconstruing the very thing you've quoted:  this isn't a guy lamenting poor sales; it's a guy explaining how aiming for huge sales hasn't been the driving force behind his previous games.

Of course everyone would like a bajillion-seller.  But that doesn't mean that some people don't have more modest goals, or can't be satisfied with more moderate success.


     If Suda 51 was entirely pleased with the sales of his games on Wii, then I don't think he would be developing a PS3 game right now.

Do you really mean that?  It just... doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

If you were in the business of making video games for almost any reason (to express yourself artistically, to make money, whatever), wouldn't you be interested in trying to crack all of the major markets?  If nothing else but as an experiment, wouldn't you want to eventually release something on every major console?  At least, I imagine that I would.

And besides, being "pleased" with sales, or the word I used--"satisfied"--doesn't mean you stop there.  For most people, especially the driven kind, you accomplish and then you look forward to new accomplishments.  If NMH was his best-selling game, I'm sure he's interested in topping it with the next one... and then topping the new record with the game after that.  I mean, isn't that how it works?

But none of it means that he wasn't happy with how NMH performed.  You can be happy with how you did and still want to do better the next time around.  Right?



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txrattlesnake on 30 May 2009

Well, I hadn't thought of it that way.



Zlejedi on 30 May 2009
txrattlesnake said:
Mojo said:
The developers may be content with sales of 500k but it's obvious they were /expecting/hoping they would be significantly higher. I still can't figure out how some of these games sell so poorly. The have now sold over 50 million consoles. That means for a game to sell 500k they are only being bought by 1% of the Wii market. Those numbers are terrible.


     This is a good post.  Actually, No More Heroes with a Metacritic score of 86 has sold less 1/100th of the sales of Wii Sports with a Metacritic score of 76.  This is indicative that either the blue ocean gamers don't pick up core games in traditional genres or  that the Wii's audience for some huge reason doesn't appreciate M games so companies shouldn't put them there if they want to profit from them. 

You are definitly right. Considering how small a choice of serious Wii core games is those games should be selling millions just from lack of competition.

Many people like to argue Okami sold badly on PS2 too - yes but compare library it was competing with and what games Okami had as opponents on Wii.



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txrattlesnake on 30 May 2009
Zlejedi said:
txrattlesnake said:
Mojo said:
The developers may be content with sales of 500k but it's obvious they were /expecting/hoping they would be significantly higher. I still can't figure out how some of these games sell so poorly. The have now sold over 50 million consoles. That means for a game to sell 500k they are only being bought by 1% of the Wii market. Those numbers are terrible.


     This is a good post.  Actually, No More Heroes with a Metacritic score of 86 has sold less 1/100th of the sales of Wii Sports with a Metacritic score of 76.  This is indicative that either the blue ocean gamers don't pick up core games in traditional genres or  that the Wii's audience for some huge reason doesn't appreciate M games so companies shouldn't put them there if they want to profit from them. 

You are definitly right. Considering how small a choice of serious Wii core games is those games should be selling millions just from lack of competition.

Many people like to argue Okami sold badly on PS2 too - yes but compare library it was competing with and what games Okami had as opponents on Wii.


It certainly wasn't competing with God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, or Final Fantasy XII.



Naum on 30 May 2009

Looks at the list of upcoming "core" games for Wii.......1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19.........30... Yeah developers sure doesn't feel like doing "core" games for the Wii.


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Declan on 30 May 2009

Of course there are lots of examples of core games on the Wii that haven't sold. There are also examples on HD consoles. To say core games don't sell on the Wii is an oversimplification that ignores all those core games that have sold (e.g. Red Steel, Star Wars, not to mention Nintendo's core games).