By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General Discussion - Is religion/Christianity in jeapardy? This article is crazy.

Kasz216 on 29 May 2009
Words Of Wisdom said:
We're not talking about like 2-4 people here.

We're talking about 10-15 people all driving over in cars, taking spots up and down the street.

This should be less about the fact that it was a religion-related and more about the relevant state laws regarding assembly.

California is freakin weird then.  I mean my neighbors have more then 20 people over all the time.  The whole street is lined with cars.



Around the Network
Squilliam on 29 May 2009
Kasz216 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
We're not talking about like 2-4 people here.

We're talking about 10-15 people all driving over in cars, taking spots up and down the street.

This should be less about the fact that it was a religion-related and more about the relevant state laws regarding assembly.

California is freakin weird then.  I mean my neighbors have more then 20 people over all the time.  The whole street is lined with cars.

Do they do it every week? In any case does your neighbours activities effect you negatively?



Tease.

luinil on 29 May 2009
Squilliam said:
Kasz216 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
We're not talking about like 2-4 people here.

We're talking about 10-15 people all driving over in cars, taking spots up and down the street.

This should be less about the fact that it was a religion-related and more about the relevant state laws regarding assembly.

California is freakin weird then.  I mean my neighbors have more then 20 people over all the time.  The whole street is lined with cars.

Do they do it every week? In any case does your neighbours activities effect you negatively?


Even if they do it every week, so long as they do not violate fire code or safety rules and regs, they should be allowed under freedom of assembly. Once you start regulating freedoms explicitly stated in the Constitution... well... Do I need to explain further?

The biggest problem with this case is that, as someone said before, the county is looking for extra revenue. So they have a law on the books that requires permits to gather to "worship"... and so they targeted a religious gathering for extra funds. Could they have targeted other things? Maybe, but that isn't what happened here. As such it is an affront and assault on freedoms explicitly granted to by the laws of the land.



Luinil - Marisa (FE:SS). She's calm, collected, and really likes swords. (Courtesy of Words of Wisdom)
Tag: luinil - "Liberalism is a mental disorder." - Thanks fkusumot!
Undying on 29 May 2009
luinil said:
............... well..... it IS California ... but this is sick, even for them.

Too bad the ACLU hates religion, otherwise this would be a case for them.




Times Banned: 12

Press----------------> <----------------Press

Squilliam on 29 May 2009
luinil said:
Squilliam said:
Kasz216 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
We're not talking about like 2-4 people here.

We're talking about 10-15 people all driving over in cars, taking spots up and down the street.

This should be less about the fact that it was a religion-related and more about the relevant state laws regarding assembly.

California is freakin weird then.  I mean my neighbors have more then 20 people over all the time.  The whole street is lined with cars.

Do they do it every week? In any case does your neighbours activities effect you negatively?


Even if they do it every week, so long as they do not violate fire code or safety rules and regs, they should be allowed under freedom of assembly. Once you start regulating freedoms explicitly stated in the Constitution... well... Do I need to explain further?

The biggest problem with this case is that, as someone said before, the county is looking for extra revenue. So they have a law on the books that requires permits to gather to "worship"... and so they targeted a religious gathering for extra funds. Could they have targeted other things? Maybe, but that isn't what happened here. As such it is an affront and assault on freedoms explicitly granted to by the laws of the land.

The freedom of speech is regulated, there are concepts such as slander and libel.

In this case it seems more akin to a noise ordinance. I can play my music as loud as I want until someone complains. If I continue to play loud music and people continue to complain further action can be taken against me.

This doesn't seem like an obvious source of revenue. People would more likely stop having these gatherings if these notices were given out wholesale. The obvious source of revenue would be to install more fixed trafic cameras and raise the fines for infractions. The only way I can see this as an offront on the freedoms granted in the constitution is if they target these religeous gatherings and not other similar gatherings such as the local 30 man fantasy baseball group. Furthermore I suspect they would not know of the gatherings unless responding to a complaint, so theres that to consider as well.

Edit to respond to your edit.



Tease.

Around the Network
luinil on 29 May 2009

Squilliam: I edited my post....



Luinil - Marisa (FE:SS). She's calm, collected, and really likes swords. (Courtesy of Words of Wisdom)
Tag: luinil - "Liberalism is a mental disorder." - Thanks fkusumot!
Words Of Wisdom on 29 May 2009
luinil said:
Squilliam said:

Do they do it every week? In any case does your neighbours activities effect you negatively?


Even if they do it every week, so long as they do not violate fire code or safety rules and regs, they should be allowed under freedom of assembly. Once you start regulating freedoms explicitly stated in the Constitution... well... Do I need to explain further?

Squilliam is right here and you are wrong.

If it is inconveniencing someone or otherwise causing problems, you have the right to ask that it stop.  Most areas have city ordinances and codes regarding things like parking and assembly in residential areas.  It doesn't matter whether you're throwing a loud and crazy college party, religious services, or holding a video game tournament among friends.  All activities are subject to the same laws.

I snipped your edit because it's rationalizing your position and nonsense.  It's like saying "That officer is only giving me a speeding ticket because the city needs money."  Well tough, the city may need money but you were still speeding.



Coca-Cola on 29 May 2009
outlawauron said:
Well, I'll take this time to say that an Australian Christian band has the #1 selling album right now on iTunes. Woo!

Can't believe it!  You are right.  Hillsong is #1.

Almost took the kids to see them here in L.A. - but missed it.

Great Band.



Squilliam on 29 May 2009

LOL, I don't even know what the U.S. constitution is aside from what I've picked up from movies... I live in New Zealand, Ha!!



Tease.

Kasz216 on 29 May 2009
Squilliam said:
Kasz216 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
We're not talking about like 2-4 people here.

We're talking about 10-15 people all driving over in cars, taking spots up and down the street.

This should be less about the fact that it was a religion-related and more about the relevant state laws regarding assembly.

California is freakin weird then.  I mean my neighbors have more then 20 people over all the time.  The whole street is lined with cars.

Do they do it every week? In any case does your neighbours activities effect you negatively?

Hell back in higschool college my friends and I used to hang out 10-20 people deep in general, often many times in the same week in the same location.

Though yeah it feels like it anyway.