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steven787 said:
WereKitten said:
steven787 said:
Now that is a trailer...

@WereKitten... I really doubt that anyone cares about realism enough at this point. However, those "Hollywood" battles with tigers and such did happen.

The animal battles continued for about 100 years after the Roman Emperor Honorius outlawed Gladiatorial combat because so many men died.

Most Gladiators didn't live past ten battles. So while it's true, that not all battles ended in death, almost all gladiators died in the coliseums.

It was an answer to this:

.jayderyu said:
"Looks better, but it still looks like a 1 on 1 fighter, not a Gladitorial Roman empire game."

And about 1 every ten fights ended with a death, yes. That's still very different from the usual hollywood image. As for the battles with animals, the venationes were usually opening acts, followed by the death sentences (again exotic animals could be a part of it) and then by the proper gladiator fights.

But the "throw anything at the group of gladiators" surprise battles, including amazons and tigers? That's hollywood fluff. But again, who cares really :)

I am perfectly aware of to what you were commenting on. I am saying you are wrong. They did fight people of varying origins and exotic animals (including tigers... actually, when people fought animals they weren't called gladiators, they were called bestiarius) from all around the Roman Empire. They also went beyond one on one combat, they recreated battles on land and on sea. Some of the events that actually happened in the Coliseum (and other ampitheatres) were more outlandish than anything Hollywood would dare put on screen. As for chariots, there were chariots involved in Coliseum battles and some minor races but most of the better chariot races happened at the Circus Maximus.

Edit: If you are interested in learning more about Gladiators and other battles at the Coliseum, I highly recommend reading, Liber Spectaculorum or The Book of Spectacle by M. Valerii Martialis.

 

Both of you are right.

 

Gladiators (with only few exceptions) just fought one on ones. Sometimes there where 10 or more pairs of gladiators fighting at the same time with very strict rules (as werekitten said with special type of gladiators fighting each other).

 

The large combats where a speciality within the time of the emperors and didn't involve gladiators, but war prisoners. The bestiarii where mainly convicted non-Romans. Martials "liber spectaculorum" is still disputed in science, because historians can't simply figure out, how they actually flood the colosseum, but the mass land combats have been proven as a historical fact.

 



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@Steven
People who trained as gladiators also played dice. Does that make it a gladiatorial game? :)
Seriously, gladiatorial games= ludi gladiatorii were a separate thing from venationes or ad bestias (death sentences by wild animals). You're thinking more in general of ludi circenses= arena games.
And yes, there were other classes, but the point is that the games were highly formalized, except for very special events, and that opponents were paired. They were not the "free for all" massacres shown in movies, and that was where all this conversation started.

As for emperors "fighting as gladiators", that was akin to a celebrity throwing the first ball in baseball: going in the arena clothed as a gladiator and putting up a fight against wooden swords. It was also despised because gladiators were highly frowned upon, much like actors.



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Yep, still not sold, looks much better then the first trailer I must say but I'm not feeling the combat, it is interesting enough that I may rent to see if it's a buy however.



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WereKitten said:

@Steven
People who trained as gladiators also played dice. Does that make it a gladiatorial game? :) (1)Seriously, gladiatorial games= ludi gladiatorii were a separate thing from venationes or ad bestias (death sentences by wild animals). You're thinking more in general of ludi circenses= arena games. (2)


And yes, there were other classes, but the point is that the games were highly formalized, except for very special events, and that opponents were paired. They were not the "free for all" massacres shown in movies, and that was where all this conversation started. (3)


As for emperors "fighting as gladiators", that was akin to a celebrity throwing the first ball in baseball: going in the arena clothed as a gladiator and putting up a fight against wooden swords. It was also despised because gladiators were highly frowned upon, much like actors. (4)

(1) You are making a metaphor, I was citing reality.  People of ancient and modern times referred to the events leading up to and including the gladiator combat (the arena games) as gladiator combat/shows/pageants/or whatever other name you want to call them... You stretched it to the point of absurdity.  I describe two events where success was based on skill, involving human fighters, that happen in the same place, and happen at the same time.  You are describing a false analogy... then you produce a smiley gives off the impression that you thought that the argument was undeniable, which is "begging the question".

(2) The difference in the games from their start, in the 1st century, till their end, in the 5th century, went through many changes.  Gladiators, especially early on, participated in all types of events.  As the sport grew in popularity, it became more like a business.  Gladiators became too expensive of an investment to waste on events that paid less than owhat you describe as gladitorial combat (for the most part) but it still happened at one point in history.  I provided links and references to prove this in earlier posts.

(3) That is not where I entered.  I entered, calling out your mistake on using definitive language for something that I provided sources which had conflicting information.

(4) It depended on the Emperor but, you're right, they did face less danger; they were each the head of state and had responsibilities which would make it irresponsible for them to fight for real... go back and read my citations... while you're at it, provide some of your own. Give me a legitimate source, that says, "No gladiator ever fought as a bestiarius."

Also your latin declension is a little off.

(Edit: WereKittens latin was right, I misread his statements.  I am a jack ass.)



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

the music in the end sounds like the intro from Civilization IV...



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this is definately a must get day of release. i didnt like that some sound fx sound like punches. still looks like a winner!



I love the shadow placement from 0:26 to 0:29.

Alpha builds. Gotta love 'em =P



Is this a one on one fighter? I thought there would be like 10 people fighting at once.



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Looks very good, nice to see a third party treating Wii right. Hope its at E3 in some form.