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Kasz216 said:
theRepublic said:
Kasz216 said:
theRepublic said:
Kasz216 said:
theRepublic said:
outlawauron said:
akuma587 said:
I think its pretty racist how the Supreme Court is completely unrepresentative of the American people. 1 women and 2 minorities (Clarence Darrow and Ruth Bader Ginsberg). Any government body should ideally be representative of the actual public.

Diversity and Equality are great but race shouldn't qualify anyone to me Supreme Court Justice.

They shouldn't be qualified by race alone, but I do think there needs to be more diversity on the court.  I know that justice is supposed to be blind, but I don't think it actually happens in real life.  There needs to be different points of view.

You do realize you just suggested that all people of the same race think alike right? 

No, I suggested that people of different races are likely to think differently due to different life experence.  If you don't like that, I really don't care.

No you suggested that everyone on the supreme court would think the same if they were the same race.   You said "We need a diverse court so we'll have different points of view."

Stop trying to spin what I said.

That's not spinning.  It's exactly what you said.

You said you think there should be more diversity on the court because it would bring in different points of view.

Which would mean you think the current bench's point of view isn't diverse enough, because apparently the justices think alike.  (They don't.)

Besides.  These are Judges.  Not polticians.  Political point of view and viewpoints should be irrelvent.

Seriously... reread your post.  That's what you said whether you meant it intentionally or not.

I don't believe that a completely objective judicary exists.

There need to be different points of view.  Different genders, different races, different politcs, different regions of the country, different life experience...

Now stop your spinning.  I'm getting dizzy.



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Once again... no spinning. Simply you backpeddling.

I wasn't the only one who read it that way.

What is needed is the most objective judges we can get. Not a whole bunch of differing people who are going to fight each other and treat the surpreme court like the halls of Congress.

If said people are of a different race so be it.  If they're all of the same race so be it.

They can all be native american lesbians who were born with shingles who all grew up in deerborn michigan for all i care.



Kasz216 said:

Once again... no spinning. Simply you backpeddling.

I wasn't the only one who read it that way.

What is needed is the most objective judges we can get. Not a whole bunch of differing people who are going to fight each other and treat the surpreme court like the halls of Congress.

If said people are of a different race so be it.  If they're all of the same race so be it.

They can all be native american lesbians who were born with shingles who all grew up in deerborn michigan for all i care.

I'm not backpedaling.  I didn't chance my position at all.  If you didn't understand, oh well.

It is impossible to get objective judges.  The same judges almost always side with each other.  If they were truely objective it would be more random.



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theRepublic said:
Kasz216 said:

Once again... no spinning. Simply you backpeddling.

I wasn't the only one who read it that way.

What is needed is the most objective judges we can get. Not a whole bunch of differing people who are going to fight each other and treat the surpreme court like the halls of Congress.

If said people are of a different race so be it.  If they're all of the same race so be it.

They can all be native american lesbians who were born with shingles who all grew up in deerborn michigan for all i care.

I'm not backpedaling.  I didn't chance my position at all.  If you didn't understand, oh well.

It is impossible to get objective judges.  The same judges almost always side with each other.  If they were truely objective it would be more random.

Only because people often pick "activist" judges on both sides.  It's not impossible to get judges that won't be biased.  It's just they aren't popular since they can't be counted on to make the call the way the nominator wants.

Also... it seems like nobody understood you... because you stated something incorrectly.

Also... there are generally strict rules to reading and intepreting laws.  For those who aren't activists.  So those judges who follow the same strict rules are always going to rule together.



Kasz216 said:
theRepublic said:
Kasz216 said:

Once again... no spinning. Simply you backpeddling.

I wasn't the only one who read it that way.

What is needed is the most objective judges we can get. Not a whole bunch of differing people who are going to fight each other and treat the surpreme court like the halls of Congress.

If said people are of a different race so be it.  If they're all of the same race so be it.

They can all be native american lesbians who were born with shingles who all grew up in deerborn michigan for all i care.

I'm not backpedaling.  I didn't chance my position at all.  If you didn't understand, oh well.

It is impossible to get objective judges.  The same judges almost always side with each other.  If they were truely objective it would be more random.

Only because people often pick "activist" judges on both sides.  It's not impossible to get judges that won't be biased.  It's just they aren't popular since they can't be counted on to make the call the way the nominator wants.

Also... it seems like nobody understood you... because you stated something incorrectly.

Also... there are generally strict rules to reading and intepreting laws.  For those who aren't activists.  So those judges who follow the same strict rules are always going to rule together.

I do believe it is impossible to get unbiased judges.  We are going to have to disagree on that.



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theRepublic said:
Kasz216 said:
theRepublic said:
Kasz216 said:

Once again... no spinning. Simply you backpeddling.

I wasn't the only one who read it that way.

What is needed is the most objective judges we can get. Not a whole bunch of differing people who are going to fight each other and treat the surpreme court like the halls of Congress.

If said people are of a different race so be it.  If they're all of the same race so be it.

They can all be native american lesbians who were born with shingles who all grew up in deerborn michigan for all i care.

I'm not backpedaling.  I didn't chance my position at all.  If you didn't understand, oh well.

It is impossible to get objective judges.  The same judges almost always side with each other.  If they were truely objective it would be more random.

Only because people often pick "activist" judges on both sides.  It's not impossible to get judges that won't be biased.  It's just they aren't popular since they can't be counted on to make the call the way the nominator wants.

Also... it seems like nobody understood you... because you stated something incorrectly.

Also... there are generally strict rules to reading and intepreting laws.  For those who aren't activists.  So those judges who follow the same strict rules are always going to rule together.

I do believe it is impossible to get unbiased judges.  We are going to have to disagree on that.

Well unbiased is a bad way to put it.  It's probably impossible to get an unbiased judge.  However it is not impossible to get a judge who doesn't let their biases effect their rulings.

It's a simple matter of just getting literalists.  The laws are as they are written... and if you don't like them.  That's what congress is for.

Like when the Supreme court overturned the Washington DC handun ban.  If anywhere should have a handgun ban its a city that polticians are going to be constantly moving around who for some reason are taxed without representation.

Yet the law was clearly unconstituional.



By the way... while Congress says they hate judges who don't follow the letter of the law.

They're lieing.

They do Congresses "dirty work."

For example... when gay marriage is finally aloud in all 50 states... it won't be due to congress. It will be due to the Supreme Court declaring that not recognizing same sex marriage is unconstitutional.

One thing the current nominee has in her favor is that she ruled against Maurice Clarrett... while I disagreed with her ruling... I'm guessing she did too as she went with the players union during the MLB strike.

There is nothing better in a written opinion then... "While I believe that.... the law clearly states...."



Why would she think a female Hispanic judge would do a better job of interpreting a constitution written by old white men then an old white man would?



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Kasz216 said:

By the way... while Congress says they hate judges who don't follow the letter of the law.

They're lieing.

They do Congresses "dirty work."

For example... when gay marriage is finally aloud in all 50 states... it won't be due to congress. It will be due to the Supreme Court declaring that not recognizing same sex marriage is unconstitutional.

One thing the current nominee has in her favor is that she ruled against Maurice Clarrett... while I disagreed with her ruling... I'm guessing she did too as she went with the players union during the MLB strike.

There is nothing better in a written opinion then... "While I believe that.... the law clearly states...."


The sad thing is that you're probably right, and judges are using their power to "create" laws through questionable ruling on issues that are politically impossible to deal with ...

The two primary checks against the legislative branch becoming too corrupt are that they are bound by the constitution (which is protected by the supreme court) and they have to answer to their voters. When your judiciary “Gets into bed” with your legislative branch to pass laws that don’t need the approval of the electorate you’re no longer living in a constitutional democracy.



HappySqurriel said:


The sad thing is that you're probably right, and judges are using their power to "create" laws through questionable ruling on issues that are politically impossible to deal with ...

The two primary checks against the legislative branch becoming too corrupt are that they are bound by the constitution (which is protected by the supreme court) and they have to answer to their voters. When your judiciary “Gets into bed” with your legislative branch to pass laws that don’t need the approval of the electorate you’re no longer living in a constitutional democracy.

 

How did it happen that a republic born of a rebellion against a king and parliament we did not elect has fallen under a tyranny of judges we did not elect? - Pat Buchanan
The Left has found the Ho Chi Minh Trail around democracy...to impose its views and values upon our society without having to win elections or persuade elected legislators. - Pat Buchanan
Legislation from the bench is an abuse of power and akin to treason.


Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire