Akvod said: twesterm said: cdude1034 said: Some people don't see piracy as wrong, though. I hate to use the comparison, but it would be like banning people people for being gay. It's just a different point of view. There are gray areas to people such as being gay.  That is not a clear right or wrong to everyone and people can argue either side until the cows come home. With piracy, it's flat out stealing, and this isn't the type of stealing that you can use the old would you steal bread to feed your family argument because while food is a necessity, gaming isn't.  Piracy is stealing and that's really all there is to it.  It doesn't matter if you (general you, not you cdude) think it's right or not wrong, it just is. Is it alright for me to rape someone because I think it's not wrong? Also, I'm not going to get until into the piracy is not stealing argument if you don't intend to buy, this isn't the thread for that argument.   Ehhhh, I've heard debates about piracy and justifying it. Some people say companies such as Adobe over charge their products. Specifically for music, that the price of CD albums (despite CDs becoming dirt cheap) are still the same from a decade ago. There's plenty of people who would advocate piracy.

You can justify things all you want, that doesn't make it right.  By justifying, all you're doing is just lying to yourself to make yourself feel better for stealing.  And I know, copyright infringement, whatever, it's still stealing.

Also, I do recognize that there would be problems with banning people that admit to pirating games, I'm not an idiot.  I'm just saying 1) it's always wrong no matter how you justify it, and 2) I would still love it if I could ban confessed pirates.

CrazzyMan said: So, like 90-95% of VGC members, NEVER used R4 card for DS or custom firmware for PSP? Wow, impressive. =) Anyway, copyright thing is overrated and games are overpriced. Also, what to do, if in some countries a video GAME cost like 1/5 of average monthly salary, and there is no rental, stop gaming? Oh, leave country, because of gaming, cool. =))

As I said, gaming isn't a necessity.  Should I get a free steak and lobster dinner every week because it costs a lot of money?

 

twesterm said: CrazzyMan said: So, like 90-95% of VGC members, NEVER used R4 card for DS or custom firmware for PSP? Wow, impressive. =) Anyway, copyright thing is overrated and games are overpriced. Also, what to do, if in some countries a video GAME cost like 1/5 of average monthly salary, and there is no rental, stop gaming? Oh, leave country, because of gaming, cool. =)) As I said, gaming isn't a necessity.  Should I get a free steak and lobster dinner every week because it costs a lot of money?

I don't think a lobster and steak can be compared to games which are essentialy data , if I could copy & paste a stake then your anaology would be stronger.

this isn't to say i'm in favour of piracy but I like to see good justification.

Million said: twesterm said: CrazzyMan said: So, like 90-95% of VGC members, NEVER used R4 card for DS or custom firmware for PSP? Wow, impressive. =) Anyway, copyright thing is overrated and games are overpriced. Also, what to do, if in some countries a video GAME cost like 1/5 of average monthly salary, and there is no rental, stop gaming? Oh, leave country, because of gaming, cool. =)) As I said, gaming isn't a necessity.  Should I get a free steak and lobster dinner every week because it costs a lot of money?   I don't think a lobster and steak can be compared to games which are essentialy data , if I could copy & paste a stake then your anaology would be stronger. this isn't to say i'm in favour of piracy but I like to see good justification.

But why would you want a stake?  Vampire infestation in your area.

I mean I might understand if you were poor and starving and wanted to copy and paste a steak.

But ultimately, these people are downloading games like Crysis onto expensive gaming rigs.  They have money.

all im gonna say is, that this whole argument reminds me to someone in elementary school who told on me @ my teacher because i copied the homework on which he spent 2 hours the day before.
he was just too pissed, so he started his childish little attack.

what a hilariousity

@twestern
Copyright infringement and stealing are not interchangeable concepts.

Copyright is government sanctioned monopoly over a expression of a idea. The Consitution only offers it as a way of promoting inovation in science and the arts. But it's not a given as a natural right like property law. Only as a incentive to create more.

Theft of property or possensions is an entirely different matter all together.

I download pirated games.
Why? Well, sometimes I just don't have the money to go buy it.
Most of the games that I download are the ones that were out for years, like the sims, rollercoaster tycoon, rise of nations, all old PC games.

starcraft said: I know this is contentious, but the whole premise of this site and the industry it supports is innovation, competition, investment and depth within the gaming industry.  Whatever the disagreement over to what extent, there is no denying the piracy and console modding costs this industry a tonne of money, and inevitability results in sackings, game cancellations and a lack of innovation. At the very least, people admitting to piracy on VGChartz are being granted a forum to advocate their illegal and disruptive actions.

Half this site would be banned... including a good portion of the mod team. Remember if your banning for piracy you would also have to ban for piracy from other industries which would include music and software. I'm pretty sure 95% of this community has or have downloaded music illegally before.

Your understanding of the term console modding is way to general of a subject as there are different forms of modding. There is the modding to change the look of a console. A great example of this is Queen Elizabeth's gold plated Nintendo Wii. By the way you make it sound Nintendo should ban her friend code from use because it doesn't look like the manufacturer intended. There is also the modding, which I support, which allows a user to do things they can't normally do like use Windows XP on the PSP. I see no reason why console manufacturers have any right to tell you what you can or cannot do with a product you purchased.

Doing illegal things like downloading games and playing them is a different being in terms of law. It is going against copyright laws. This is what the industry should be fighting, not general modification of a game device that you own.

Sky Render said: That's not true at all, mjdans. Like I said, price can always go lower as long as you're willing to adjust HOW you make the product. Reduce the cost of making a game, and reducing the price of the game will not have a negative impact. It's quaint to say that a game has to have cutting-edge visuals and sound to sell, but that's slightly undermined when you realize that pretty much every top-selling game ever was not and is not cutting edge in either department. Rather, they excel in terms of gameplay and mass appeal, relative to the era they were developed in.

 

I've read all of your responses in this thread and I have to say you appear to be the most intelligent and reasoned person in this thread.

 

It's refreshing to witness someone make educated and logical posts on the chartz.

Banning pirates and modders isn't going to keep them from being pirates and modders, so what's the point in banning them?