I once torrented RE4 for PC after already owning it on GameCube. C'mon ban me.
I once torrented RE4 for PC after already owning it on GameCube. C'mon ban me.
| liquidninja said: @Zucas Copyright is permitted in the Constitution to benefit us not the creators. Large companies have been lobbying for more control through Copyright law that disregard it's intended purpose, and they've been getting it under false assumptions. So it's not necessarily just anymore. |
Copyrights where created to give the people that created thing the rights to that product for a designated time. It was made to ensure competition stayed fair. So of course large companies would want to to disregard its from intended purpose as competition is not necessarily a good thing for them. Monopolies are of course a better route for them. Copyrights, in practice though, are better for the consumer in a capitalist market as it does help to prevent the formation of monopolies. But it holds most of the benefits to the creators such that they are ensure they are the sole rights holders in any relation to their creation/work/etc. If this didn't exist, smaller companies could create something, larger companies would sell the same thing at lower prices, and then the smaller one would lose.
I don't know where you are getting this but copyrights are a foundation for fueling and maintaining competition in a capitalist market and benefit consumers withing that market. Now I know the original founders did not know of the existence and extent of the internet (obviously) but this comes back to bite not only small but large companies as well. Thus why they want to get some more controls because they have to fight off other parasites. If they aren't able to sell their products competively because someone who lives in his mom's basement can sell it for half the price as a download on the internet, if not free, then the whole system gets hurt.
I really don't know how this is a discussion. It's quite clear. If the original creators don't have the rights to something they created exclusively, then they suffer. And with the extent of the internet nowadays, this applies to small and large companies.
axumblade said:
I'm really hoping you guys are all joking about asking to be banned. Especially considering starcraft doesn't seem to have any control and twesterm has already said he can't really ban you guys for this stuff. |
Sure they can. Reread your terms of use... especially rules #6 and #14.
@Zucas
"[Congress shall have the power] to promote the progress of science and the useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries." - U.S. Constitution
"The sole interest of the United States and the primary object in conferring the [copyright] monopoly lie in the general benefits derived by the public from the labors of authors." - Supreme Court
axumblade said:
I'm really hoping you guys are all joking about asking to be banned. Especially considering starcraft doesn't seem to have any control and twesterm has already said he can't really ban you guys for this stuff. |
axum, wether I and the others that posted want to be banned is irrelevant, since, for now it's not against the rules, so there's no grounds for ban. I was just proving how ridiculous the premise is. And I know for sure that a forum where saying "I pirated a game" is against the rules is not a forum where I would wanna take part, so if that rule were to be instated I'd leave the place entirely

| liquidninja said: @Zucas "[Congress shall have the power] to promote the progress of science and the useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries." - U.S. Constitution "The sole interest of the United States and the primary object in conferring the [copyright] monopoly lie in the general benefits derived by the public from the labors of authors." - Supreme Court |
So basically you just provided a quote that pretty much states what I just said as being true. Because that Supreme Court quote means by given creators sole rights to their product it ensures competition which benefits consumers. "General benefits by the public from the labors of authors" is the capitalist view of competition ensuring what is best for the consumer.
Now I want to know what you thought this meant because this quote pretty much confirms what I just said in my post.
@Zucas
The quote's say that Copyright's are intended to benefit us.
Not the creators.
| liquidninja said: @Zucas The quote's say that Copyright's are intended to benefit us. Not the creators. |
Reread what it says. Or better yet I'll point it out again.
"The sole interest of the United States and the primary object in conferring the [copyright] monopoly lie in the general benefits derived by the public from the labors of authors." - Supreme Court
General benefits by the public FROM THE LABORS OF AUTHORS. Yes the quote does say benefit us. I'm glad you can get that out of it. But the quote means more than that. How does a copyright benefit the people? Well the supreme court states we are benefitted by the labors of authors. Their products and innovations benefit us. So obviously copyrights don't directly benefit the people or otherwise they would have left that last part out. The reason it is in there is exactly what I just told you. By securing exclusive rights to a created product, competition can be maintained. If competition is maintained, the monopolies, cartels, trust, etc can't be formed. Thus by ensuring that they can do thise gives us benefits. Copyrights ensure that their labors benefit us. But the benefits start with them being able to benefit from their products.
It's intention is to maintain competition, which in a capitalist ideology, benefits the consumer (people).
@Zucas
I'm glad you understand that copyright's are supposed to benefit us and not the creators.
Now understand that monopoly's mean that you have little to no competition.