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Slimebeast said:
But how easy is it to get welfare in the US then?

Can't they deny you the welfare money if you don't prove u are actively looking for jobs?

Yeah... but it's pretty hard to do that.  I mean nothing is stopping you from going into a job interview and just refusing to "lie" like most job interviews force you too.


"Whats your biggest weakness."

"Oh I work too hard!"

I don't think the problem is with government run welfare... but just how it's run.  It's a bastardization of both parties that tends to end up giving most of the advantages and benefits to the people who just doesn't deserve it because it's the people who don't want to work....

While the people who are working 20-35 hours a week making 9 dollars an hour get nothing.  



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TheRealMafoo said:

(and Japan was rebuilt by the US in the 40's).

 

*Highwaystar101 resists urge*


(don't worry, Mafoo knows I'm only kidding with most of my posts by now)



NintendoMan said:
I think welfare is a necessary evil. Not everyone on welfare is a lazy selfish bum trying to live off the state. There are many people who simply cannot find work. They may have health problems, they may not have the right skills etc. Welfare allows these people to live. I am on benefits, if I wasn't I would be homeless, hungry and probably doing something illegal. Welfare is needed. The problem is the goverment runs it poorly (which it does with everything nowadays).

I disagree wholeheartedly. You sir, are not using the venues avalable. You can go to food shelves, you can go to charitable organizations, you could even live in a homeless shelter or in your car (if you didn't have a friend kind enough to let you crash at his place) untill you got a job. If anybody does not have the skills necesary to make it out in the work force it is their own fault. I have no pity for those who chose not to get training.

My family has NO money, and yet I still found a way to make it through college. Guess what? Nobody helped me through. I am paying off the loans I took out. I took them out because I knew that college was an investment that would help my net worth. I chose a feild that I knew would not tank, and one where I could make a decent living.

Do not try to use the "I didn't get a good highschool education" thats because your parents were to lazy to find a good school for you to go to, and didn't care enough about you to actually go out of their way to give you the best possibly education. If you were truely in trouble you would not be paying for internet, you wouldn't have a Nintendo because you either would have sold it, or not bought one in the first place. You would not have anything but the necesities. Believe me, I was there, but because my parents cared enough about me, they didn't spend their money on anything but what we needed, we didn't have cable, we had used mismatched furnature, we lived in a broken down house, we didn't have internet, we had one 13 inch TV that my mom got free through some points thing. We did not have A.C., we did not keep the heat above 68 degrees in the winter time, we did not eat name brand foods, when we went to our doctor (53 miles away) our lunch was the free samples at samsclub 9the only reason my mom had a membership was she got it through work. But through out my child hood, we were never hungry, we were clothed, we had a roof over our heads. so no, I have absolutly no pity for those who are not willing to work hard, or seek help from friends, neighbors, churches, and charitable organizations. 



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I agree with some points there.

I like the "in order to get welfare, you need to do something work related, i.e. pick up trash or something 2 - 3 days a week in order to get food stamps" idea.

I also like the tax deductions for food donations so giant corporations can donate foods without being taxed.

One thing I would like to see changed is the whole farm subsidies thing. Isn't it like the government is paying farmers to NOT grow too much food so as to keep the prices of certain commodities up? They should change it so that anything extra past their quota goes to the poor somehow.



I think the government should get out of the subsidizing business altogether, let the free market work the way it was designed to.



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That Guy said:
I agree with some points there.

I like the "in order to get welfare, you need to do something work related, i.e. pick up trash or something 2 - 3 days a week in order to get food stamps" idea.

I also like the tax deductions for food donations so giant corporations can donate foods without being taxed.

One thing I would like to see changed is the whole farm subsidies thing. Isn't it like the government is paying farmers to NOT grow too much food so as to keep the prices of certain commodities up? They should change it so that anything extra past their quota goes to the poor somehow.

You wanna here another fun law?  By law... if a giant commercial fishing uses a net.  Which they all do... and they take in their limit... (Which is about 1/10th of the net.

No one is legally aloud to pick up the other 9/10ths of the dead fish in the lake.  All those fish are ruined.... rather then going to a good cause.



Yup, see this is why government should be given less power. They create waste...lots and lots of waste...come to think of it, so do unions, but thats another topic. Now I just received a message from a person who will remain anonymous because I don't want them to get flamed or anything. They completely failed to see the point I was making.

" I found your post quite offensive as there are so many things wrong with it. You don't know people or the circumstances or where/how they live. You presume that just because one has the internet they have money. You also don't know anything about their parents. My dad ran out on me when I was 1 and my mother has given 110% for me. I am going to report your post. "

This person did not stop to think about the fact that they can afford internet and a gaming console along with paraphernalia and games for it, and yet, they are on Welfare. Why the heck would you be wasting your money on things like that when you could be using it to save, or invest in something that will give you a return? Every little bit helps, take a look at my mom, she scrimped and saved to pay off $11,000 of credit card bills while my dad was only making $7.50 an hour. Guess how long it took? Three years. this is one example of how saving (even minuscule amounts) can add up.

Entitlement and playing the victim, these are the two human attributes that will forever exploit the Welfare system. You cannot lay around feeling sorry for yourself while you live off of somebody else's money. Get up and realize you are not going to get anywhere if you keep crying "poor me" you need to go out and make some changes somewhere in your life. Will it be easy? Hell no, it's an uphill struggle the whole way, but it is worth it!



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Kasz216 said:
That Guy said:
I agree with some points there.

I like the "in order to get welfare, you need to do something work related, i.e. pick up trash or something 2 - 3 days a week in order to get food stamps" idea.

I also like the tax deductions for food donations so giant corporations can donate foods without being taxed.

One thing I would like to see changed is the whole farm subsidies thing. Isn't it like the government is paying farmers to NOT grow too much food so as to keep the prices of certain commodities up? They should change it so that anything extra past their quota goes to the poor somehow.

You wanna here another fun law?  By law... if a giant commercial fishing uses a net.  Which they all do... and they take in their limit... (Which is about 1/10th of the net.

No one is legally aloud to pick up the other 9/10ths of the dead fish in the lake.  All those fish are ruined.... rather then going to a good cause.

 

they should really 

 

1) find a less destructive way of fishing

or

2) use smaller nets

 

 



So, that should not be up to the government. If you don't like their fishing practices, don't buy their fish. It's so simple.



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Slimebeast said:
But how easy is it to get welfare in the US then?

Can't they deny you the welfare money if you don't prove u are actively looking for jobs?

So easy, it's ridicoulous.



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