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all i can say about this matter cause its been popping up alot now on vgc is that everybody will be surprised on how small the gap will become this Nov-Jun 2010

by mid 2010 it wont be a ? of if it will happen but wen it will happen 300$ PS3 + SW like GT5, GOD3, Twisted Metal, FF13 Versus, Uncharted2 can and will do alot damage



                                                             

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siren said:

While it is possible that the PS3 will eventually outsell the Xbox360, their real hope is that the PS3 goes one year longer and has that year's sale be better than the Xbox360's last year.

Unfortunately both of these events are getting to be decreasingly likely.  The Xbox was cut short at 4 years due to continual losses on the hardware and the desire to improve marketshare in Japan and Europe.  Game developers did not see the Xbox as a viable platform outside of the US, but saw decent potential for the next Xbox in EMEA and Japan.  They were prepared to make games for the next platform and MS was ready to make some profit so they moved on.

With the Xbox360 we are in a different boat all together.  The system is profitting enough to sustain an entire division at Microsoft that is losing money outside of itself.  Rough estimates put the 360 profits at about $250 to $500 Million per quarter.  MS will not be in any rush to put out the next system with those kinds of figures.

Even if we use your figures of 150k vs 100k per week, we would be looking at 3+ years for the PS3 to overtake the 360.  Now it could be argued that the PS3 might have one more year than the 360 in sales, but even that is looking less and less likely.

Usually the better the system sells the longer it will remain on the market.  The PS2 vs Gamecube is a prime example. (once again the original Xbox suffered from other issues).  Even though the Gamecube launched more than 18 months after the PS2, it went off the market over 3 years before the PS2 has.  It's sales just could not sustain its life.

With the huge losses on the PS3 and the Xbox 360 lead, I do find it realitively hard to believe that the PS3 will have a longer life than the 360 on the market.  It might have the same life, but longer is not likely at this point in time.

To complicate matters further, the 360 has a significant price advantage over the PS3 and will likely have one the entire generation.  Microsoft does not have Blu-Ray or a mandatory HDD in the 360.  As a result, they have initial COGs advantage of about $150 right now and probably around $75 - $100 long term.  The Xbox360 will likely be able to make an even smaller slim SKU than the PS3 due to the lack of HDD and has the further benefits of XboxLive revenue that could help offset costs of a lower priced SKU.

Worst case scenario for Sony is if MS ever decides to sell the 360 like a Cell Phone.  Agree to 4 years of Xbox Live and get a Core for $100.  This would likely be a hit with consumers and only help to drive system sales.  It would also lock in a lot of consumers to Xbox Live and help provide a massive userbase to move forward into the following generation.  Not to mention, it would further increase the userbase of the 360 over the PS3 substantially.

There is a lot that can happen in the next 4 - 6 years.  To assume that one year of games, one price cut, one new SKU release can completely change the current positioning is ludicris.  MS will not go quietly into the night just like Sony won't.  Sony could do a $100 price cut at E3 and MS could counter with even a $50 price cut.  Sony could announce MGS5 exclusive and MS could announce Kingdom Hearts 3 exclusive.  At worst case for MS, they would be about 20 - 50k units a week WorldWide behind Sony after a pricecut for the remainder of the generation.  At best case they could increase to about 150k a week ahead of Sony.  Either way would be a huge shift of about 100k a week, which takes a lot to cause.  Either way, the prospects are not great for Sony winning.

Once again, can it happen.  Yes, but not until really late in the generation.

The bigger story, neither will probably ever take over the Wii.

That's flippin' GENIUS, man.  Why haven't THEY thought of that already?

 



you do realize that microsoft has said the 360 will be around at least a day longer than the ps3 right?

Also, there are other ways for xbox to drive more sales other than price cuts, they can also revamp the hardware (like include wireless adapter and hardrive in the arcade).

If you think about it, the 360 has just as much potential of sticking around as the ps3 does, and if Sony cuts their price, 360 will do something to counter it.

Honestly, the 360 has too much of a cushion for Sony to be able to overcome, especially in America. Sony failing big time in America, which is the territory with the most consoles sold this gen.



1) Because PS3 is the BEST console this GEN.
2) Because PS3 provides BEST VALUE for a console, which cost 299$ to date.
3) Because PS3 is a MUST HAVE console this GEN.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

I've seen this same post over and over and over again since the year the PS3 launched. Reality is a hard pill to swallow but whats with all the blind optimism? Every year there's a new game/games coming out that will kill the momentum of the 360. I think its hilarious!




 

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TheSource thinks the PS3 will surpass the X360 in sales, how can you say the TheSource is wrong



optimism?

PS3, which entry price is 2x time BIGER than x360, sell only 8k less WW, than x360.

It`s 400 euros vs 150-170 euros, 40k yen vs 20k yen, 400$ vs 200$.
x360 is DOOMED, after PS3 get 300$ price + FFXIII and GT5.

Are you people blind? Can`t you see obvious things like this???



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

Viper1 said:
DevilMadeWires said:

Alot of people have been saying that it is impossible for the PS3 to outsell the 360 in terms of overall sales, and that it would require the PS3 to sell 77k a week more than the 360 to gain a lead in 2 years.

I think that PS3 doesn't need to outsell by 77k a week but rather the 360 will just start to sell less and less units until that difference is made. With a price cut for PS3 and gran turismo 5 i think that PS3 will be able to maintain 150k+ a week while 360 might go sub 100k

I also don't see the overall lifetime sales of 360 exceeding PS3 as new xbox may kill 360.

 

It doesn't matter if the PS3 starts selling more on average or if the X360 starts selling less on average.  The fact remains the sales difference per week needs to average 77k units for PS3 to overtake X360 in 2 years.

 

Here is how the math works.  You subtract the PS3 total from the X360 total to get the curent sales gap.   You divide this number by the total number of weeks in question (in this case 104 weeks - 2 years).  This gives you the required average weekly difference that is required.

Again it doesn't matter which console gains or falls, it's the sales difference per week that is important.

 

 

 

 This.

77k is quite a number. The PS3 had average weekly sales of 192k in 08. So the PS3 needs to top the Xbox360 sales by 40% of the average weekly sales last year. Of course starting today. I am not saying this is impossible, but it will happen at a time when this generation is at its end (if ever). In 2011, the Xbox360 is 6 years old, that is good time to announce the Xbox 3 if you ask me.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

CrazzyMan said:
optimism?
 
PS3, which entry price is 2x time BIGER than x360, sell only 8k less WW, than x360.

It`s 400 euros vs 150-170 euros, 40k yen vs 20k yen, 400$ vs 200$.
x360 is DOOMED, after PS3 get 300$ price + FFXIII and GT5.

Are you people blind? Can`t you see obvious things like this???

I find it interesting that a lot of ps3 fans will talk about the value of the ps3.  How it has all the bells and whistles included and how it is a much better deal than the 360, but then talk about how the 360 has this lower price for entry. 

IMO, I wouldn't even call the arcade an entry price point, because here in America we sell arcades 1 out of 10 compared to pro's.   There is a reason the average selling price is 290 and not closer to 200.

Biggest problem for Sony is that for everything Sony can do MS can counter and will counter.

Price cut: PS3 selling at a loss will sell at a bigger loss. 360 can also be cut in price and is profitable. 
Slim Model: First off I dont think people will give a rats ass that the PS3 is smaller.  Secondly MS is working on a Slim 360 as well and doesnt need to worry about the HDD nor a backlash if they keep the power supply outside the unit.
Software: MS can not only produce more exclusive software they can purchase exclusives.

Further MS felt they were in such a good position that they waited until September 2008 to finally bring the 360 down $100 from the original launch price.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.