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bugrimmar said:
infamous8 said:
bugrimmar said:
infamous8 said:
Being a Counter Puncher is really impossible considering YOU CANNOT BOB AND WAVE TO AVOID PUNCHES, and YOU CANNOT PARRY PUNCHES!

Sure, maybe to a casual MMA fan, you might THINK you can be a counter puncher... but you really are not. REAL counter punchers rely on head movement and parrying. You cannot do either of those in this game.

 

tap your right analog stick. see man, that's one thing you aren't doing yet you're complaining it's not there.

if you tap it forward, you'll actually do a quick step and crouch low.

if you tap it back, you'll do a quick back step.

if you tap it up, you'll do a sidestep up.

if you tap it down, you'll do a sidestep down.

 

YOU CAN AVOID PUNCHES IN THIS GAME IF YOU LEARN HOW.

I KNOW. I have done the tutorial.

 

Sidestepping and bobbing and weaving, and parrying are all very different.

What if I want to avoid a strike without losing my position in the cage? Can't do it in this game. Have to side step and lose position, possibly putting me with my back to the cage. What if we're up close and the other guys is jabbing non-stop? Can't parry those jabs.

 

 

 

 

actually, you can.

1.) i made a typo there. actually it's your left analog stick that lets you avoid strikes.

2.) your right analog stick enables you to quickly clinch up or take down an opponent. there is a move that will have you catch the guy's hand or foot if you just flick the right analog stick up or down. while standing, if you flick it up while your opponent tries to punch you in the face, you will catch his arm and quickly clinch up on him if you time it right, resulting in double underhooks for you. if you flick it down during a low kick, you'll quickly take him down.

so there it is:

YOU CAN AVOID, COUNTER, SMOTHER, and even STOP STRIKES from happening, IF YOU LEARN THE GAME.

 

 

You're grasphing for straws dude. I already knew what you stated above.

What if I want to parry a punch, and counter it with my own punch? Cant do it. and that's what parries are mainly used for IRL.



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infamous8 said:

I have to go for the night.

Sorry Buggrimmar, but we are going to have to agree to disagree here. I respect your stance and the fact that you came at me in a respectable way, unlike most kids at these forums. But my opinion stands. Theres way too many faults in this game. Both in gameplay, and design.

I just want an honest answer for this. How long have you been watching MMA, and how big of a fan are you? Have you ever practiced MMA?

Because I think that's what the difference is here. I've been watching UFC for over 15 years and practiced in Muay Thai and a little bit in grappling. Im not trying to come across as arrogant because of that, but I truly think this game has a lot of faults that hardcore MMA fans will not like, but casual MMA fans (I'm guessing you are one of them) won't even notice.


http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=1459304&page=3
Check out this thread if you havent already. It's at an MMA forum... and theyre tearing this game apart as well.

Again, if you're casually an MMA fan... I can see why you'd enjoy it. Me personally? This is not a MMA Simulator. This is a WWE game with UFC characters and an octagon.

 

1.) you have too many nitpicks and nonsense complaints about the game that have nothing to do with the gameplay. you're complaining about MSG being there? you're complaining about few options about your character's look? you're complaining about not being able to use existing characters in career mode?

these complaints of yours DO NOT RUIN THE GAME. you're just being far too sensitive.

2.) for your information, i'm an amateur boxer who has been training for the better part of 5 years, daily. i've been watching mma since UFC 1. before UFC 1, i've been a huge fan of boxing and taekwondo competitions ever since grade school. all my friends train in some form of combat sport. i have a friend who teaches BJJ. i have another friend who fights regularly in small mma competitions around our neighborhood (we call it pasukoan, which means "to make the other guy give up").

3.) the reason why i like this game is precisely why you hate it. it's DIFFICULT. i like the game because it takes skill to play it. i like the game because it represents ACTUAL MMA, wherein you really have to mix and match and practice like hell on different facets of the game. while you keep claiming that it's easy, you haven't even tried playing against a real human yet. try your headkick spam online, and see if you win even one match. try it.

4.) again, this is a game. it's not perfect. there are things that weren't included. but the things that were not included aren't game changing. in fact, those things don't need to be in the game for it to be good.



infamous8 said:

You're grasphing for straws dude. I already knew what you stated above.

What if I want to parry a punch, and counter it with my own punch? Cant do it. and that's what parries are mainly used for IRL.

 

you're the one nitpicking little itty bitty problems. i focus on the entire gameplay and experience of the thing. the game allows me to do 95% of all the things an MMA fighter can do in the octagon. that other 5% i can do without.

on the other hand, you keep focusing on just that 5%. you don't care about anything else and you complain about that 5% to the end of time, and you trash the game for just not having that 5%.

does fight night simulate 100% of what a boxer can do? i'm sure it doesn't. i box myself, and I KNOW there are things missing too. but that doesn't make fight night bad.

and the 5% that isn't in the game doesn't make UFC undisputed bad. you just want to focus on it too much.

i say stop nitpicking and focusing on small things and try to learn the game.



bugrimmar said:

infamous8 said:

No... Theyre lazy because they copy & pasted Madison Square Garden out of the WWE game and put it into a UFC game, even though UFC HAS NEVER BEEN TO MSG!

It takes away from the realism and is an insult to the intelligence of a hardcore MMA fan.

 

 

 

so?

does it make your gameplay worse?

seriously man.. your complaints are already getting really dumb. so you're telling me that the game sucks because THERE'S A SPECIAL ARENA INCLUDED?

are you freaking serious?

cmon. talk about the gameplay. don't put in stupid nitpicks like that.

every MMA fan WANTS the UFC to go to madison. is it a crime for THQ to have put it there? we should be freaking thanking them for actually including it!

 

Why should I be thanking them for making a non-realistic MMA simulator.

Why should I be thanking them for including an arena that has never allowed MMA.

It's not a crime for them to put it in there, but it shows how lazy and/or rushed the development was.

 

 

 

Let me ask you this- After all the things Ive critisized, youve never really praised the game or mentioned too much about why you think it's so good.

Poor animations, poor graphics, sluggish gameplay, limited music, limited create a fighter, limited career mode, terrible CPU AI, limited fighting styles, limited online options (no lobbies, bad matchmaking. Why is a lvl 1 guy fighting someone who is lvl 25?). And the unrealistic things already mentioned, like MSG and lack of southpaws. 

 

I could critsize this game all day.



"I don't have time to play video games anymore, but if I did, I would definitely choose the PlayStation 3 instead of the 360" - President Barack Obama

infamous8 said:
bugrimmar said:

infamous8 said:

No... Theyre lazy because they copy & pasted Madison Square Garden out of the WWE game and put it into a UFC game, even though UFC HAS NEVER BEEN TO MSG!

It takes away from the realism and is an insult to the intelligence of a hardcore MMA fan.

 

 

 

so?

does it make your gameplay worse?

seriously man.. your complaints are already getting really dumb. so you're telling me that the game sucks because THERE'S A SPECIAL ARENA INCLUDED?

are you freaking serious?

cmon. talk about the gameplay. don't put in stupid nitpicks like that.

every MMA fan WANTS the UFC to go to madison. is it a crime for THQ to have put it there? we should be freaking thanking them for actually including it!

 

Why should I be thanking them for making a non-realistic MMA simulator.

Why should I be thanking them for including an arena that has never allowed MMA.

It's not a crime for them to put it in there, but it shows how lazy and/or rushed the development was.

 

 

 

Let me ask you this- After all the things Ive critisized, youve never really praised the game or mentioned too much about why you think it's so good.

Poor animations, poor graphics, sluggish gameplay, limited music, limited create a fighter, limited career mode, terrible CPU AI, limited fighting styles, limited online options (no lobbies, bad matchmaking. Why is a lvl 1 guy fighting someone who is lvl 25?). And the unrealistic things already mentioned, like MSG and lack of southpaws. 

 

I could critsize this game all day.

again, your criticisms DO NOT influence the gameplay.

1.) you're blaming lazy devs for INCLUDING SOMETHING? if they were lazy, WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST NOT INCLUDE IT? IT TAKES MORE TIME TO INCLUDE SOMETHING THAN TO JUST LEAVE IT OUT! common sense man.. please.

2.) poor animations, poor graphics, limited music, limited create a fighter options, limited career mode blah blah blah, DO NOT MAKE THE GAMEPLAY BAD. IT IS AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF MMA FIGHTING. go ahead and blame the AI, but the large part of this game is played with friends. and while you're on that subject, try the higher difficulties too. online options, hell, this is THQ's first UFC game. i'll forgive them for errors like that. but as far as gameplay goes, and GAMEPLAY BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT CRITERIA, THQ DELIVERS WELL.

3.) i did say why the game is good. read the original post.

4.) this is the last time i'll address your concerns. again, i agree, there are limited options on a bunch of things. but your complaints DO NOT INFLUENCE THE GAMEPLAY. you're just complaining about the aesthetics. the look. the sound.

but you cannot complain about the gameplay IF you've actually learned the thing and IF you play against someone who knows what he's doing.

 



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bugrimmar said:
infamous8 said:

You're grasphing for straws dude. I already knew what you stated above.

What if I want to parry a punch, and counter it with my own punch? Cant do it. and that's what parries are mainly used for IRL.

 

you're the one nitpicking little itty bitty problems. i focus on the entire gameplay and experience of the thing. the game allows me to do 95% of all the things an MMA fighter can do in the octagon. that other 5% i can do without.

on the other hand, you keep focusing on just that 5%. you don't care about anything else and you complain about that 5% to the end of time, and you trash the game for just not having that 5%.

does fight night simulate 100% of what a boxer can do? i'm sure it doesn't. i box myself, and I KNOW there are things missing too. but that doesn't make fight night bad.

and the 5% that isn't in the game doesn't make UFC undisputed bad. you just want to focus on it too much.

i say stop nitpicking and focusing on small things and try to learn the game.

 

5% ???

 

Dude, youre pulling numbers out of nowhere now.

Considering how big a part of Tito Ortiz's strategy was pinning his opponents against the cage, Id say it's atleast 50% of the game play is messed up if I'm using him. Because you cant push opponents against the cage or use it to your advantage in this game.

 

That was Tito's bread and butter. The other 50% of his style is Ground and Pound...which is extremely limited in this as well. First off, right and left punches are interchangable and offer nothing different. Hence, why even bother using the left punch during Ground and pound, if I can throw 10 right punches in a row. I'll leave it at that for now, but if you want more I can keep going on about this.

 

Also...not including southpaw stance. This is a HUGE FLAW in the game. Ever wonder why people hate fighting southpaws? It's because they are different than orthodox fighters. Since youre a boxer, you should already know that.

Hence, Cro Cop was a huge threat in MMA because his LEFT KICK was so deadly. Since he was southpaw, the orthodox fighters would be walking right into his left foot, and he would use this to his advantage. Now this UFC game doesnt even have southpaw stances. Cro Cop is standing orthodox in this game... not only does it hinder strategy when playing with him, but it's unrealistic.

Remember the slogan is "UFC - AS REAL AS IT GETS". This game is supposed to be a simulator, not an arcade game.

So there you have it.... not 5% of the gameplay is messed up. 50% is messed up...and that really hampers this game

 



"I don't have time to play video games anymore, but if I did, I would definitely choose the PlayStation 3 instead of the 360" - President Barack Obama

bugrimmar said:
infamous8 said:
bugrimmar said:

infamous8 said:

No... Theyre lazy because they copy & pasted Madison Square Garden out of the WWE game and put it into a UFC game, even though UFC HAS NEVER BEEN TO MSG!

It takes away from the realism and is an insult to the intelligence of a hardcore MMA fan.

 

 

 

so?

does it make your gameplay worse?

seriously man.. your complaints are already getting really dumb. so you're telling me that the game sucks because THERE'S A SPECIAL ARENA INCLUDED?

are you freaking serious?

cmon. talk about the gameplay. don't put in stupid nitpicks like that.

every MMA fan WANTS the UFC to go to madison. is it a crime for THQ to have put it there? we should be freaking thanking them for actually including it!

 

Why should I be thanking them for making a non-realistic MMA simulator.

Why should I be thanking them for including an arena that has never allowed MMA.

It's not a crime for them to put it in there, but it shows how lazy and/or rushed the development was.

 

 

 

Let me ask you this- After all the things Ive critisized, youve never really praised the game or mentioned too much about why you think it's so good.

Poor animations, poor graphics, sluggish gameplay, limited music, limited create a fighter, limited career mode, terrible CPU AI, limited fighting styles, limited online options (no lobbies, bad matchmaking. Why is a lvl 1 guy fighting someone who is lvl 25?). And the unrealistic things already mentioned, like MSG and lack of southpaws.

 

I could critsize this game all day.

 

1.) you're blaming lazy devs for INCLUDING SOMETHING? if they were lazy, WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST NOT INCLUDE IT? IT TAKES MORE TIME TO INCLUDE SOMETHING THAN TO JUST LEAVE IT OUT! common sense man.. please.

 

 

WRONG.

 

They ARE lazy. They copy & pasted an unrealistic arena from a WWE game (since they also develop the WWE games) so that they could save time from developing a real arena that UFC actually goes to. Yes, that makes them lazy.



"I don't have time to play video games anymore, but if I did, I would definitely choose the PlayStation 3 instead of the 360" - President Barack Obama

infamous8 said:
bugrimmar said:
infamous8 said:

You're grasphing for straws dude. I already knew what you stated above.

What if I want to parry a punch, and counter it with my own punch? Cant do it. and that's what parries are mainly used for IRL.

 

you're the one nitpicking little itty bitty problems. i focus on the entire gameplay and experience of the thing. the game allows me to do 95% of all the things an MMA fighter can do in the octagon. that other 5% i can do without.

on the other hand, you keep focusing on just that 5%. you don't care about anything else and you complain about that 5% to the end of time, and you trash the game for just not having that 5%.

does fight night simulate 100% of what a boxer can do? i'm sure it doesn't. i box myself, and I KNOW there are things missing too. but that doesn't make fight night bad.

and the 5% that isn't in the game doesn't make UFC undisputed bad. you just want to focus on it too much.

i say stop nitpicking and focusing on small things and try to learn the game.

 

5% ???

 

Dude, youre pulling numbers out of nowhere now.

Considering how big a part of Tito Ortiz's strategy was pinning his opponents against the cage, Id say it's atleast 50% of the game play is messed up if I'm using him. Because you cant push opponents against the cage or use it to your advantage in this game.

 

That was Tito's bread and butter. The other 50% of his style is Ground and Pound...which is extremely limited in this as well. First off, right and left punches are interchangable and offer nothing different. Hence, why even bother using the left punch during Ground and pound, if I can throw 10 right punches in a row. I'll leave it at that for now, but if you want more I can keep going on about this.

 

Also...not including southpaw stance. This is a HUGE FLAW in the game. Ever wonder why people hate fighting southpaws? It's because they are different than orthodox fighters. Since youre a boxer, you should already know that.

Hence, Cro Cop was a huge threat in MMA because his LEFT KICK was so deadly. Since he was southpaw, the orthodox fighters would be walking right into his left foot, and he would use this to his advantage. Now this UFC game doesnt even have southpaw stances. Cro Cop is standing orthodox in this game... not only does it hinder strategy when playing with him, but it's unrealistic.

Remember the slogan is "UFC - AS REAL AS IT GETS". This game is supposed to be a simulator, not an arcade game.

So there you have it.... not 5% of the gameplay is messed up. 50% is messed up...and that really hampers this game

 

 

50%? lol...

you realize, you put in two things there? i've acknowledged they're not there. anything else?

so... lemme see.

2 things = 50%? so that means... MMA is just made up of 4 things?!?!?

you're trying to tell me that 50% of your game is made up of just those 2 things??

 

try to get your common sense back together man. you're too mad at the game for small things and you think they're so freaking huge. 2 things make you feel like the gameplay sucks? please... alright, that's the last time i'm addressing your complaints.

i'm sorry infamous8, but you're just not a reasonable person. end of responses. fellas, if you care to reply anymore on this thread, go ahead. i've said all i need to say. go out and buy the game, it's great.

bottom line, despite the shortcomings, the game includes 95% of what mma has to offer. despite infamous8's nitpicks and complaints about small things, it includes the meat of what an mma experience should be.

9/10



bugrimmar said:
infamous8 said:
bugrimmar said:

infamous8 said:

No... Theyre lazy because they copy & pasted Madison Square Garden out of the WWE game and put it into a UFC game, even though UFC HAS NEVER BEEN TO MSG!

It takes away from the realism and is an insult to the intelligence of a hardcore MMA fan.

 

 

 

so?

does it make your gameplay worse?

seriously man.. your complaints are already getting really dumb. so you're telling me that the game sucks because THERE'S A SPECIAL ARENA INCLUDED?

are you freaking serious?

cmon. talk about the gameplay. don't put in stupid nitpicks like that.

every MMA fan WANTS the UFC to go to madison. is it a crime for THQ to have put it there? we should be freaking thanking them for actually including it!

 

Why should I be thanking them for making a non-realistic MMA simulator.

Why should I be thanking them for including an arena that has never allowed MMA.

It's not a crime for them to put it in there, but it shows how lazy and/or rushed the development was.

 

 

 

Let me ask you this- After all the things Ive critisized, youve never really praised the game or mentioned too much about why you think it's so good.

Poor animations, poor graphics, sluggish gameplay, limited music, limited create a fighter, limited career mode, terrible CPU AI, limited fighting styles, limited online options (no lobbies, bad matchmaking. Why is a lvl 1 guy fighting someone who is lvl 25?). And the unrealistic things already mentioned, like MSG and lack of southpaws.

 

I could critsize this game all day.

this is THQ's first UFC game. i'll forgive them for errors like that. 

 

That's a terrible excuse. It's the same price as every other new release on the market. So why do they get a pass? All of a sudden developers are excused for being lazy and rushing games out?



"I don't have time to play video games anymore, but if I did, I would definitely choose the PlayStation 3 instead of the 360" - President Barack Obama

bugrimmar said:
infamous8 said:
bugrimmar said:
infamous8 said:

You're grasphing for straws dude. I already knew what you stated above.

What if I want to parry a punch, and counter it with my own punch? Cant do it. and that's what parries are mainly used for IRL.

 

you're the one nitpicking little itty bitty problems. i focus on the entire gameplay and experience of the thing. the game allows me to do 95% of all the things an MMA fighter can do in the octagon. that other 5% i can do without.

on the other hand, you keep focusing on just that 5%. you don't care about anything else and you complain about that 5% to the end of time, and you trash the game for just not having that 5%.

does fight night simulate 100% of what a boxer can do? i'm sure it doesn't. i box myself, and I KNOW there are things missing too. but that doesn't make fight night bad.

and the 5% that isn't in the game doesn't make UFC undisputed bad. you just want to focus on it too much.

i say stop nitpicking and focusing on small things and try to learn the game.

 

5% ???

 

Dude, youre pulling numbers out of nowhere now.

Considering how big a part of Tito Ortiz's strategy was pinning his opponents against the cage, Id say it's atleast 50% of the game play is messed up if I'm using him. Because you cant push opponents against the cage or use it to your advantage in this game.

 

That was Tito's bread and butter. The other 50% of his style is Ground and Pound...which is extremely limited in this as well. First off, right and left punches are interchangable and offer nothing different. Hence, why even bother using the left punch during Ground and pound, if I can throw 10 right punches in a row. I'll leave it at that for now, but if you want more I can keep going on about this.

 

Also...not including southpaw stance. This is a HUGE FLAW in the game. Ever wonder why people hate fighting southpaws? It's because they are different than orthodox fighters. Since youre a boxer, you should already know that.

Hence, Cro Cop was a huge threat in MMA because his LEFT KICK was so deadly. Since he was southpaw, the orthodox fighters would be walking right into his left foot, and he would use this to his advantage. Now this UFC game doesnt even have southpaw stances. Cro Cop is standing orthodox in this game... not only does it hinder strategy when playing with him, but it's unrealistic.

Remember the slogan is "UFC - AS REAL AS IT GETS". This game is supposed to be a simulator, not an arcade game.

So there you have it.... not 5% of the gameplay is messed up. 50% is messed up...and that really hampers this game

 

 

50%? lol...

you realize, you put in two things there? i've acknowledged they're not there. anything else?

so... lemme see.

2 things = 50%? so that means... MMA is just made up of 4 things?!?!?

you're trying to tell me that 50% of your game is made up of just those 2 things??

try to get your common sense back together man. you're too mad at the game for small things and you think they're so freaking huge. 2 things make you feel like the gameplay sucks? please... alright, that's the last time i'm addressing your complaints.

i'm sorry infamous8, but you're just not a reasonable person. end of responses. fellas, if you care to reply anymore on this thread, go ahead. i've said all i need to say. go out and buy the game, it's great.

bottom line, despite the shortcomings, the game includes 95% of what mma has to offer. despite infamous8's nitpicks and complaints about small things, it includes the meat of what an mma experience should be.

9/10

 

Learn how to read.

I said, 50% OF TITO ORTIZ's real life strategy is made up of those 2 things. Again...you would have to actually watch UFC and know MMA to understand that.



"I don't have time to play video games anymore, but if I did, I would definitely choose the PlayStation 3 instead of the 360" - President Barack Obama