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Squilliam said:
^ Or on the other hand, its the lack of differentiation which makes the bias more apparant?

This is all purely speculative (can't help myself, it's fun to come up with theories), but...

I think that it's easier to be ideological and "buy american" when presented with two products of minimal difference in value in your eyes and hence no significant sacrifice is made. This is why I suspect the wii (and most game systems usually) remains unaffected except at the margins. Although, the larger portion of female (who in political polls I've seen over the years statistically tend to be less nationalistic than men in the US) wii ownership may also be a factor.



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alephnull said:
Squilliam said:
^ Or on the other hand, its the lack of differentiation which makes the bias more apparant?

This is all purely speculative (can't help myself, it's fun to come up with theories), but...

I think that it's easier to be ideological and "buy american" when presented with two products of minimal difference in value in your eyes and hence no significant sacrifice is made. This is why I suspect the wii (and most game systems usually) remains unaffected except at the margins. Although, the larger portion of female (who in political polls I've seen over the years statistically tend to be less nationalistic than men in the US) wii ownership may also be a factor.

Hmm, now that I think about it more you're right. By having similar products theres a larger area at the margins between them. Perhaps then, it explains how the whole concept of the 'Fluid Cam' is an attempt to differentiate the products. Microsoft needs to do more than Sony in this case because they come out relatively worse worldwide due to this bias.

 



Tease.

The PS3 haters seem to have come in three waves.

First were the people turned off by the PS3's price. Many people simply aren't prepared to pay $599 for a game console, no matter what the developers put into it, and this hurt Sony terribly in the beginning.

The second wave was turned off by Sony's horrible marketing. Even many PS3 fans have to admit that Sony's marketing was made of 100% pure fail, less from the specific statements that gave rise to memes and more from the fact that more than once Sony insulted its own fanbase. When you call your fans "drones" and claim they'd buy your stuff even if you never made any games, that's bound to make some of them angry.

The third wave was turned off by Sony's position in the market. This is largely a product of the previous two waves, and it fed off of them to produce yet more hate. Most of the bandwagon types jumped on here.

Bottom line: Sony brought most of the hate upon itself.



Complexity is not depth. Machismo is not maturity. Obsession is not dedication. Tedium is not challenge. Support gaming: support the Wii.

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What do I hate about modern gaming? I hate tedium replacing challenge, complexity replacing depth, and domination replacing entertainment. I hate the outsourcing of mechanics to physics textbooks, art direction to photocopiers, and story to cheap Hollywood screenwriters. I hate the confusion of obsession with dedication, style with substance, new with gimmicky, old with obsolete, new with evolutionary, and old with time-tested.
There is much to hate about modern gaming. That is why I support the Wii.

I think the majority of PS3 haters are in the heads of PS fanboys. I've been called a PS hater and I own 2 PS3's. Either way, the actual haters come from fanboys of other systems, simple as that. They hate to see:

a)Their system losing ground/sales to the PS brand items
b)Their system non having exclusives that they would love if it were on "their" system.
c)(The rare occasion) They hate seeing their multiplat game selling better on the PS brand system.



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CrazzyMan said:
Khuutra said:
CrazzyMan said:

They HATE PS3?

+ Most probably are an exceptions. They had PS2, bought Wii and now HATE PS3? Do you believe, what you say? 

THe point isn't that they hate the PS3, just that you said Americans hate non-American consoles, which is fallacious and asinine because Americans think the Wii and DS are awesome.

So, you know.

You're wrong.

NOPE, the POINT WAS about PS3 HATE.

Or maybe you asume, that american PS3 owners ALSO HATE PS3???
I said mostly americans, NOT all americans. Use your brains.

I'm sorry, maybe I misread. Let me check.

CrazzyMan said:

I think, PS3 haters are mostly americans,
this is a patriot thing, like buy american console, hate not american console. )

No, I think I got it down pretty clearly.

PS3 haters are not mostly Americans and your reasoning is fallacious.



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Khuutra said:
CrazzyMan said:

NOPE, the POINT WAS about PS3 HATE.

Or maybe you asume, that american PS3 owners ALSO HATE PS3???
I said mostly americans, NOT all americans. Use your brains.

I'm sorry, maybe I misread. Let me check.

CrazzyMan said:

I think, PS3 haters are mostly americans,
this is a patriot thing, like buy american console, hate not american console. )

No, I think I got it down pretty clearly.

PS3 haters are not mostly Americans and your reasoning is fallacious.

 

When have Crazzy's reasonings being anything but fallacious and facetious.

 





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Above, it was pretty much OBVIOUS, that i was speaking about x360 owners, which MOSTLY are Americans.

You still don`t get it?

Most bashing PS3 articles come from America, from american x360 owners.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

CrazzyMan said:
I think, PS3 haters are mostly americans,
this is a patriot thing, like buy american console, hate not american console. )

That might hold for the US, but it doesn't explain the PS3's failure in Europe, or even why it hasn't been able to take first place in Japan for more than a few weeks.



Complexity is not depth. Machismo is not maturity. Obsession is not dedication. Tedium is not challenge. Support gaming: support the Wii.

Be the ultimate ninja! Play Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN today! Poisson Village welcomes new players.

What do I hate about modern gaming? I hate tedium replacing challenge, complexity replacing depth, and domination replacing entertainment. I hate the outsourcing of mechanics to physics textbooks, art direction to photocopiers, and story to cheap Hollywood screenwriters. I hate the confusion of obsession with dedication, style with substance, new with gimmicky, old with obsolete, new with evolutionary, and old with time-tested.
There is much to hate about modern gaming. That is why I support the Wii.

No those articles come from Sweden, but secretly they are written by the Norwegians. Its understandable you were confused.



Tease.

Millennium, what failure, selling at 400 euros vs 150-170 euros x360 almost on PAR during ECONOMICAL recession?
Are you insane? What failure???
It`s a MATTER of PRICE, only.

Squilliam, well, it should be known to you, probably, lol. =))



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far